Whoops NATO attacks Pakistan supply routes to Afghanistan CLOSED ,for NATO!

It's called 'incompetence'. Paradoxically it's something the US military is expert in.

 

What road? That the Afghan soldier said they were being fired on.

The Pakistan's have shown they can not be believed and are not friends of the US

 

Yes from an antiwar website.

 

I am not really sure what happened there, as is everyone else here. Eventually the truth will come out and I have a feeling Obama is just sending Pakistan a message, to wit: "You are on our payroll, start earning it". If Pakistan thinks it can continue to play both sides and keep the money they will pay a price.

 

Pakistan holds the cards as is evident by the fact that pakistan closed NATO's supply lines thru pakistan. How long do you expect NATO to stay in Afghanistan when it costs them more and takes longer to get supplies to afghanistan of which some arent allowed thru russia, which is the northern supply route. Pakistan has the upper hand in this.

 

How long will Pakistan last when their money is cut off

 

I'm sure they will be fine, all that money does is prop the pro-us government up there and it all goes to the military anyways.. China is more than willing to replace us there... Pakistan won't blink an eye.

 

Keep believing that. Pakistan has proven it hates the US and they do not want our money

 

lol there is nothing to believe, its fact. your right, pakistanis do hate the us much like americans hate pakistanis.. and they don't need US money like i just said. lol

 

They also made the Afghans mad.Pakistan is now becoming an arrogant country that will destroy itself

http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=27495&title=No-more-business-as-usual-with-US:-PM

 

Present your evidence for the proposition asserted above.

 

http://www.cfr.org/china/china-pakistan-relations/p10070

This was written in July of 2010 and alot has changed since then... obviously, so if the US had any chance in Pakistan, they probably blew it.

 

Pakistan talks a great deal. But what do the Han say? This is the rub.

The Han Chinese are astute about calculating self-interest. So tell us what is in China's interest. I'm looking for deep analysis.

 

read the article: http://www.cfr.org/china/china-pakistan-relations/p10070

Another article about China's interest in Pakistan Gwadar port.. http://tamilnation.co/intframe/indian_ocean/040510gwador.pdf
small quote from it

 

This is from the article you cite:

"...Meanwhile, China is concerned over the increasing level of extremism inside Pakistan. Some experts say China is also concerned about Chinese Uighur separatists in the western province of Xinjiang finding a safe haven in Pakistan's tribal areas. According to Ziad Haider in a 2005 Asian Survey article, Uighur militants were enrolled in Pakistani madrassas during the 1980s and fought the Soviets alongside the Taliban and later against the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan. Some of these madrassas, Haider writes, "provided an important site for the recruitment of [Uighur] fighters" who later returned to Xinjiang.

China has also publicly expressed concern over the increased level of kidnappings and killings of Chinese citizens by Pakistani militants. China's ambassador in Islamabad urged Pakistan to "take effective measures to protect all the Chinese in Pakistan" after militants shot and killed three Chinese nationals in July 2007. Militants continue to target Chinese workers in Balochistan Province. However, Beijing is wary of getting heavily involved in counterterrorism efforts. "China is well aware of the threat it faces if it becomes too involved in counterterrorism efforts within Pakistan," says Garver, "and that means taking a more cautious and calculated approach--at least publicly--in strengthening Pakistan's secular institutions against the Islamist challenge. This may partly explain why China has been quite comfortable in encouraging the United States to engage more with Pakistan: to take the heat off of China."


Here's an article for you, pages 18-21:

http://project2049.net/documents/china_pakistan_emerging_strains_in_the_entente_cordiale_kardon.pdf

 

China built the commercial facilities at Gwadar. However, when Pakistan asked China to build a naval base at Gwadar China refused. Gwadar is in Baluchistan. What happens in Baluchistan?

 

The tragic thing about War is it has to be drawn out to Victory or Defeat .

Horray the War is lost in Afghanistan ,only denial remains Pakistan should go to War with Karzai's US puppet[Scientifically known as Comprador National Bourgeois]Regime.

And they should send their Airforce in and create a NO FLY ZONE as a warning at least.

Or the un-USA,NATO,Land of OZ Alliance admits DEFEAT in Afghanistan and WITHDRAWS!

Oh,dear Bush didn't think of the present situation that is brewing did he evidently DEFEAT !


Thanks for making the Indian -Sub Continent MORE UNSTABLE oh thats right the Other Nuclear Power in the area INDIA is now on full Military Alert ,well done NATO well done Obama ,thanku un-USA.

Good on you Gilllarrrrdddd and ,John Howard !!!!

Get the Withdrawal STEPPED UP ! And we want an Election YESTERDAY!

 

Unification into a Globally Intergrated Economy ,is in Chinas Intrests ,Nationalism on the other Hand will Tear China Apart and that is definitely on the cards in fact it is already Happening !

A Unified Socialist States of Asia would be Good for Global Economy and whats good for global Economy is Good for all Humanity !

Capitialist Included NOT!

The Global Proletariet trapped in the Chinese National Market is about to stand up thanks for creating new armies of the Global Proletariet!

Now back to the struggle of the Trotskyists vs Stalinism in all its forms!

 

as im sure you agree with me on this, pakistan controls the insurgency... baluchi nationalists no but they are at least influenced by iran who is at least in part an ally of china... have no doubt that china wants that port, they need it... as they want the port in sri lanka and myanmar..

 

Or the Global Proletariet Democracy saves all Humanity!

Take your choice,build Trotsky's Party the 4th International or we may get hit by a Comet and then lights out!

First step attack the Nationalist Ideology on which all Capitialism relies!

Bring Down the old worn out National Political Orgainisation !

Yes the Governments are stupid beyond belief so grab the one near you and fight to expose and challenge its legitimacy!

If we all do it together then no more will Nation Government exist and Humanity will be Free!

 

You can't always get what you want, but if you try real hard, you might get what you need.

The Baluchi insurgency is against both Pakistan and Iran. Victory to the Baluchis.

You refer to the String of Pearls and the great contest of the first half of this century. India vs. China.

China must be able to protect its shipping across the South China Sea, Indian Ocean, Arabian Sea and Persian Gulf. India cannot allow itself to be encircled. Conflict is inevitable.

 

Are they the same Afghan Soldiers that Killed 3 Australian Diggers the other week!

Excuse me anything out of a Afghan Soldiers Mouth Particularly a unidentified one is VERY Questionable at best!

 

Are they the same Afghan Soldiers that Killed 3 Australian Diggers the other week on a parade ground??????!

Excuse me anything out of a Afghan Soldiers Mouth Particularly a unidentified one is VERY Questionable at best!

 

yes thats exactly what im referring to and yes conflict is inevitable. im not quite sure what kind of relationship iran and pakistan have so as far as the baluchis go i will remain mum but i will say this, FREE BALOCHISTAN!

 

China and India conflict goes way back, Tibet has a shadow government in India. They are not friendly to say the least. China would love to have a nuclear neighbor and friend on India's border, especially one that doesn't like India. The first people in the Paki compound that hid Osama were the ambassador to Pakistan from China, they have great interest in American equipment, even blown up helicopters. On a side note, remember when the US "accidently" bombed the Chinese Embassy in Serbia in the 90's? Seems that is where the beacon signal from the downed F-17 was coming from...