The Jews as "God's Chosen." What, exactly, does it mean?

Rev 17... five have fallen means representatives of the seven great world empires (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo- Persia, Greece, Rome, and that of the Antichrist)

 

See. Is Jesus Christ the Son of God? God in the flesh? Is salvation found in Jesus Christ alone?

Quantrill

 

Yes.. of course.. and the world as they knew it did come to an end.. This was a new age because of the sacrifice of Christ.

Futurism is a vanity of lazy scholars.

 

I think we may be better off, with a new and modern, Tower of Babel project. I hear the translation software has improved quite a bit since our last attempt.

 

I dont believe you. I remember your statement to me that you will lie when you need to. Remember. And that lying is allowed in islam. But, you have said it, and now can be held to it.

Jesus is the Son of God. God in the flesh. Salvation is only in Him. (Margot believes this, he/she says)

Your symbolic interpretation is lazy. Its all left up to what you want to say it represents. And it didn't end. Jesus rose from the dead, didn't He?


Quantrill

 

Oh stop it.. I never said such a thing.. What are you lying about me now?

Why don't you study context and first century history?

 

Never said what?

I do study history.

Quantrill

 

do you ever study the Bible?

 

I never said lying was OK..

Then study the Roman occupation of Israel.. and who the beast was and the fear that he would return after his suicide in 68 AD..

John of Patmos references all those things in his writing.

 

You told me you lied when it was convienient. When I caught you in a lie.

I have studied it.

Quantrill

 

I never said such a thing to you.. are you demented?

I explained what taqyiia means to Muslims.. to protect their lives or keep peace in the family.

Sort of like Abraham lied to Pharaoh about his sister wife Sara.

 

No. You said it. But carry on, 'christian'.

Quantrill

 

The Book of Revelation contains 'spiritual revelation' of the end times (from the 2000+ yr church age to the final judgement and establishment of a new heaven and new earth).

Much of the OT scriptures show the prophecy of future events as 'types' but not the actual event; i.e. Abraham as a Father sacrificing his beloved Son etc. There are hundreds to thousands of 'types' that forecast future events but that are not THE event...just as Nero was a 'type' of the Antichrist, and could be considered "an" antichrist, as well as Hitler, etc., THE Antichrist is still yet to come and be revealed.

The 7 churches mentioned in Rev were indeed 7 actual churches; however, it doesnt stop there. They are also representative of the 7 church age types of churches, 7 types of churches that exist today, and also types of the 7 end-time churches!

Unless one understands "types & shadows" which are God's revealing of His plans of the actual events to come, then they will miss the Spirit of God concerning those actual events when they do come.

And I have come to these conclusions not from man (as from Scofield or Lindsey) but from studying the entire scriptures.

And, BTW, Margot, for someone who "isnt a literalist," you take what you want of Rev as such! And "Types" as written long ago in scripture are not of Schofield either...methinks that as some blame the 'Devil' for everything, YOU blame Scofield! He has become YOUR devil.....tsk, tsk

 

Let me explain how this really works. The easiest way to create confusion is to avoid precise definitions. The definitions of Jews and Israel are purposefully distorted.

So let us start by defining Jews and Israel. I will use the definitions as per the Dogma of the Church.

Jews - people who observe the word of God.
Israel - the country of people who observe the word of God.

Therefore jews (people of jewish ancestry or those who confess judaism) are certainly not the Jews. Because they denied Jesus Christ and accepted responsibility for His blood on themselves and their children. Since then only true Christians become Jews .

Ever since Emperor Constantine made Christianity the official religion of Roman Empire, the Roman Empire became Israel and more specifically Byzantium. So up until 15th century Greeks were the Jews.

In 15th century when Byzantium collapsed due to selling out to Catholic Church (Papist heresy) they lost their status.

People who become Jews since then and to these days are Russians and Russian Empire become Israel.

Therefore jews (people of jewish ancestry or those who confess judaism) are not Jews, and the state of Israel is not the Israel.

Hope that clears things up.

 

Most prophecy was written after the fact.. Prophets weren't future tellers.. The were wise men, analysts and commentators.. the conscince of the nation.

That's why it becomes important to look at WHEN books were written .. Like Daniel for instance.

 

yes.

its interesting to see publications on the history of the region that were printed in the US in the 60's and compare them to the opinions that seem to abound in the US now.

 

I have been reading the news from Sudan for 20 years.. Where have you been that you don't know?

Do you know who John Garang was or what his background was?

The Grand Mufti is most certainly a victim of Zionist revisionism.. He wanted to stop illegal immigration to Palestine.. They had already sheltered 600,000 and get safe passage for them to Spain which was willing to accept them.

 

I have never said that the Jewish people haven't shed their fair share of blood".

we only have to look at the recent history of the missle est for proof of that, and there is plenty of other evidence throughout history that "the Jews" are not squeaky clean.

however, if you lay responsibility for other things at their feet you begin to look like an anti semitic conspiracist.

your last sentence indicates where you are coming from.

suspect you are a white supremacist as well.

just curious - do you agree with any of Breivik's views?

 

Zionist Israel exists because terrorists took advantage of historical opportunity, religious myth and the weakness of the newly formed UN.

 

Would we have been worse off with a division of Angels or a regiment of Archangels to help us avoid some Dark Ages or even more enlightened Ages in modernity?

 

I don't see where he was doing that and I did not get the impression that he was in a rage. The Jews don't need anyone to assassinate their character......the state of Israel is doing to as it is.

 

You are absolutely right, Margot. Apocalyptic literature has symbolism that was well know to the people that John was writing to, and the common understanding of Revelation today was not known until it was brought here in the19th century by Darby. You are an educated Christian. The futurists are victims of an indoctrinated generation, and don't have the first clue of what we are talking about.

 

Everyone on here has been sucked into a thread started by an obvious neo-nazi who has the self control to write like your friendly uncle and pretend not to be the racial cleanser he actually aspires to be. From his first post, his hatred for the Jewish people has been loud and clear, and that is really all that needs to be said about the thread.
Those who respond seriously to the OP have been duped.

 

Absolutely correct. They were finger waggers, the moral conscience for their times, the corrective to a people straying from the path.

 

Did someone already say that the Jews are God's chosen because He chose from them the line of His Messiah. Perhaps because He loved Abraham and David as much as He did. And see, even though they went terribly astray, especially the kings of Judah and Israel, He STILL kept His Promise.