Obama signs NDA Act, approves torture of US citizens. Tea Party Cheers

http://rt.com/usa/news/detention-legislation-torture-senate-891/

How's that change working out for you? Multiple lies from Obama on this one: Obama also said he would veto the law; Obama has effectively repealed his opposition to torture. But not just on Al Qaeda suspects, but on US CITIZENS.

The TEA Party has shown once again that they are not dedicated to small government. The bill passed through a Tea Party controlled House of Representatives and was voted in favor of by most Tea Party Senators. Can somebody please explain to me what the difference is between the Tea Party, Democrats, and status-quo Republicans?


You have let them wage illegal, unnecessary, endless wars by money creation, needlessly killing many of our brothers and sisters who volunteered their lives to defend the Constitution. You were silent.

You have let them engage in a foreign policy that turns the entire world against us, makes us less safe and prone to blowback like the 9/11 attacks. You were silent.

You have let them set up a police state that engages in wire tapping, monitoring internet use, violent beating of peaceful protestors, encourage Americans to report those who speak out against Obamacare to the government, put up cameras on street corners, assassinate and/or detain US citizens indefinitely without charge or trial, and you will let them take control of the Internet through "internet neutrality" and "emergency" killswitches. You were silent.

You have let them botch the healthcare system by cartelizing government, big pharma, and health insurance companies effectively over the decades and slowly solidifying it with Obamacare. They have actually convinced you that the free market is STILL the problem, despite not being a free market system for over 45 years. You were silent.

You have let them sell guns to Mexican drug lords in a botched attempt to justify disarming you, the threat to the state. You were silent.

The federal government has set up Mexican drug lords to control the borders with guns the federal government sold to them. The only reason these drug cartels have any power is because the drugs they sell are illegal. You have also let the government tell you what you can and cannot put in your body. You were silent.

You have let them get away with allowing illegal immigrants to invade your country (whose borders are controlled by drug lords) and mooch off of the system. They have even convinced you that it is necessary to legalize these leeching lawbreakers. You were silent.

You have let them set up a compulsory ponzi scheme creatively titled "social security" that steals your wages from you with zero hope of it ever being returned, and is instead used to finance all of the above. You were silent.

You have let them set up a cartel between the government and banking system that continuosuly extracts wealth from you by debasing your currency, which is fiat legal tender, in order to pay for all of the above and sustain the continuous profits of the mooching elite. You were silent.

You have let them spend your great grandchildren into hopeless amounts of debt, in order to pay for all of the above. You were silent.

You have let them use government education institutions to erase every principle of individualism and replace it with collectivism: an effective standing army for the elite, in order to implement all of the above. You were silent.

You have let them systematically dismantle the Constitution by reinterpreting existing laws, with your permission, in order to implement all of the above. You were silent.


Just be sure to vote Republican or Democrat every 2 years. Pay your taxes, and go to sleep. Don't worry about it.

 

Mod Edit:INSULT.

The Tea Party is not for this bill.

It is the Washington insiders of both parties who passed it in spit of the Tea Party.

 

tl;dr

It'll be interesting to watch liberals avoid this topic, or try to defend Obama's actions, though.

 

Soooooo, where in there did Obama sign it?

I only see that it made it through Senate, and Obama had said before that, if it passed, he'd veto it...

 

But, Obama is a liar.

He will sign it.

 

No One remember the TEA party being silent, matter of fact we were called right wing extremists by the DHS, although that title hasn't been bestowed on the OWS crowd. We didn't sit silently by when the Heathcare issue was brought up, don't you remember Pelosi and her big gavel walking through the protesters with a huge grin on her face? Since you seem to be the on calling individuals silent while our freedoms are quickly being ripped from us, what are you doing to stop this train wreck, were you one of the Obama supporters now regretting your vote? Did you call your congress/senate or sit behind the computer screen and complain? Before you call anyone silent regarding policies from this administration, what have are your efforts/ideas to stop it? No one disagrees with the fact rhinos are on both sides of politics, at least some were replaced last election, more forthcoming.

However what are you doing to help turn things around?

 

The OP says he signed it...

But, his link doesn't support that...

 

Didn't you vote in all those "true American spiritish" tea-party congressmen?

 

You're right, E, he hasn't signed it yet.

What's curious is that the sources claiming that Obama has abandoned his veto threat are all British.

 

Curious indeed...

 

Conservatives, check this out. You can't use corruption among many other nefarious intentions of politicians an excuse to oppose big government, and then support the idea of giving government the ultimate power, which is to literally take away a citizen's very right to existence without having serious checks and balances to that kind of authority. That is a complete contradiction in your (our) ideology. It goes against everything you oppose big government for.

I don't know where the answers lie as to how to guarantee the government doesn't have the authority to assasinate U.S. citizens or indefinitely detain them at the behest of a president. I know I don't understand the current law. But Newt seemed to explain it well in one of the debates. Paraphrased, he basically said that once a citizen engages in war against his own country, he surrenders any and all civil liberties once guaranteed under civil law.

 

Why does the moderation staff allow thread titles that are obvious lies and O.P.'s with obvious factual inacuracies?

1. The TEA Party never cheered.
2. The TEA Party did not even support it... see Ron Paul / Alan West and other TEA Party favorite's comments on this issue.

The TEA Party remains against this legislation.

 

Pro Tip: The Democrats / Liberals are supporting this as much as the Establishment Republicans. Your criticism is missing 1/2 of the target.

 

Also, the fact that Obama did not sign this...

The whole OP is false...

 

Tea Party Support is not something that can be defined one way or another because there is not single voice for the Tea Party..

Why did you cherry pick the Tea Party support part of the OP and not the most obvious factual lie that Obama did not sign this legislation?

 

I love the partisan patties equivocating over this fascist garbage and pretending like it didn't have bipartisan support. Cute guys, really, but lets get off our teams bandwagon for a sec and put all these bureaucrats in their place.... unemployed.

 

I will remember this the next time you complain about the Tea Party and talk about them as if they are a monolith.

 

:/ I know you like to fit everyone who doesn't see eye to eye with you politically into the same easy to label, easy to hate package. Sorry, people are more dynamic then that and so am I. I have not made such a claim.

 

Obama already signed it into law.

Google it. It's not that hard.

 

Fair enough, but, you should really post a link to it in your OP...

It makes it look shady if you post a link that says nothing like what you're claiming...

 

Diversion tactic designed to get people to think that there is a difference between the TEA Party and the status quo Republicans.

Ever stop to think that there are OWSers who are also TEA Partiers? The only thing left wing about OWS is the initial organizers of it. The OWS protestors themselves range from all over the spectrum. You have been brainwashed by right wing propaganda if you believe otherwise.

Yeah right. And teh TEA Party supports the likes of Gingrich and Romney, who would NEVER do anything to repeal Obamacare.

Absolutely not. I supported Ron Paul in 2008 when most of the TEA Partiers were voting for big govt status quo John McCain and Mitt Romney.

I've written several angry letters to my Congressman and Senators. Not typed, hand written. In red ink. It accomplished nothing. I do what I can to make people aware of what's going on.

Educate people. It's the only thing you can do.

 

Obviously there is a difference. There's a reason Romney isn't being celebrated by the Tea Party crowd, overall.

Name some Tea Party members who are actively involved in OWS. I haven't seen anybody on this forum that fits that profile. I can't think of any well known Tea Party members who support OWS.

The TEA Party is not a monolithic group. Some support Gingrich and Romney (likely because they have the best chance of beating Obama in the eyes of many), many others don't.

The TEA Party didn't even exist in 2008. Those who would go on to form the TEA Party did not want McCain at the time, he was simply the only option against Obama.

You expected your "angry letters" to accomplish something? The world doesn't revolve around any one of us.

 

I do agree that education is key, however there are those whom are adamant in their minds and will not deviate away from their way of thinking, even if facts are presented. I haven't seen anyone in the TEA party absolutely support Romney or Gingrich, matter of fact many are searching for a candidate that will support their calls for smaller government. So I conclude that you will support Ron Paul again in this election, which means your vote will count towards a vote for Obama since he obviously can't win! We managed to throw a couple of old rhino out of the Republican party, it won't be achieved in one election cycle, but round 2 is coming soon. There is more to do in reclaiming our Constitutional Republic, but Ron Paul isn't in the way. Huge difference with TEA party members and OWS, the differences are stark for those who wish to see

 

^Agree. Not to mention the title is a lie. The link is from an article made on december 2 and he didn't sign it then and he hasn't signed it yet (although he did say he will) as far as I know.

 

I don't know if Obama has signed it yet or not but know that he's a liar who will sign have he said he would not.