Iowa Governor: If Ron Paul Wins, Ignore It And Look At Who Finishes Second

you're not answering the question i'm asking

do you think ron paul will win the presidential election?



no ifs, ands, buts or excuses

 

LOL, hey Cool picture...did you think about that all on your own?
Golly haven't seen that one in about 5 years.

At least get better pictures, here is an oldie and a goodie


I feel sorry for the cat though, kind of rough

Hey, Don't worry everything is fine, for TV tells us so.

 

Are you seriously that dense? He CAN win the presidential election. Or is your true question, "Can he win no matter what?"

 

Its funny that the GOP plays the exact same games as the liberals do when it comes to Ron Paul. They call Ron the kook but think every muslim nation is looking for a way to destroy America while thinking it can't be because we have been messing in their affairs for 70+ years. No, we are just innocent Americans that have done nothing wrong. We are a pure as december snow.

 

From here on out, we need to just refer to the 2 parties as one party. The "Status Quo", or "Globalist", or "Progressive" Party. And do me a favor. Put the known shills on ignore. Just by interacting with them, you all are burying your own posts that those on the fence could read and learn from. Let's face it, the majority just read the 1st and last page. The only thing I can think of that their redundant, nonsensical posts could accomplish is burying the good stuff so when someone shows up all they read is , "I know you are, but what am I"?

 

If they were a peaceful group of people up until 70 years ago, you might have a point. However, your views depend on complete ignorance of the history of Islam. You're in luck, though, since most people are very ignorant on the topic, so traction won't be a problem.

 

You can always form your own Ron Paul website and only allow people who agree with you to join. That might be easier than ignoring everyone who disagrees with you.

 

There is a difference between someone who disagrees, and someone who is trolling with purpose. You notice you aren't on ignore?

 

If we are judging history, then so are Christians as being in the same boat. Why do you think they despise us being there in our holy land occupying the countries around there? We have shown that our true God in America is the dollar, and when we get an democratically elected president that was against more drilling for oil in their nation thrown out, I would be pissed too. Not to mention they then got ruled by a prompted up tyrannical dictator followed by even more abusive dictators. To keep thinking the actions of America have always been on the "justified" side is ignorant and arrogant. From the beginning we have been a nation about taking what we feel is ours. It needs to STOP.

 

I agree with Ron Paul on many things. In my opinion he is the least disirable candidate in the Republican field. However, I would vote for Ron Paul everyday of the week and twice on Sunday vs. Obama.

I believe Obama will fundamentally change the country if he is elected to 4 more years. We all know what that means at this point and it's not good.

I say let the primary run it's course, support whoever you wish and at the end of the process......there's not one of the Republican candidates I won't support over Obama.

 

Newt - says his ideology is described by "third wave futurism" = destruction of national sovereignty and rule by international corporations and bureaucracies. He's a radical progressive. Brilliant!

Romney - serious RINO, check his campaign funding also, big banker-bought. Romneycare, carbon taxes, open borders.

Ron Paul - constitutionalist - not owned by anyone, nor does he have extreme globalist visions for the future.

GOP establishment bashes Ron Paul. See why Paul fans consider the typical republicans to be absolutely blind to what their party represents?

 

They have been ruled by brutal dictators for 1400 years. The first one was named Muhammad. They weren't peaceful back then, just like they aren't peaceful now. The only times they were relatively peaceful is after they were defeated militarily and fell into a period of decline, like what happened at the Gates of Vienna. If they weren't defeated in that battle, all of Europe would have been conquered. Historically, there were several major waves of expansionist jihad waged against the non-Muslim world, and each one was stopped in battle. Once their fires of religious supremacism and imperialism are ignited, which are sewn into the fabric of the religion, there is no stopping them. Christianity has no equivalency, and its relatively tame bloody history was an aberration from the core of the religion. The same cannot be said about Islam.

Why are Muslims killing non-Muslims in China, the Philippines, Africa, Thailand, and Indonesia? Is that blowback, too?

 

Always about the muslims for you, isn't it? It's a good thing we cannot afford another war and attacking Iran would possibly start WWIII. So, stop worrying about it.

 

It's always about the Muslims with Paul, too. He wants to be their intrepid protector and friend.

 

See, there is a muslim standing behind you ready to kill you right now. LOOK OUT!!! And you call Ron the conspiracy theorist. "All muslims are out to get you....BOOO"

Same reason Christians are killing people in Africa and South America? Same reason Atheist did it in China and Russia. Same reason people kill people, POWER.

They are traveling 8,000 miles and working 3-6 years to kill as many people as possible here because of blow back.

 

When was the last time that was tried? When was the last time America didn't occupy their land? Better question, when was the last time America was attacked while NOT occupying their land?

 

We should probably try to get Brewsky off of the US vs Muslim talk, because I don't think you'll make any breakthroughs there.

I don't like the extreme authoritarian nature of certain Muslim regimes or their propensity to call for jihad either. But, I'd prefer to just keep them out of our nation.

If a progressive like Newt or Romney are elected, you're looking at European levels of 3rd world immigrants. Newt wants to grant illegals amnesty. Romney wants to have anchor babies with them. Ron Paul wants to cut off their welfare and kick them out of school. lol. Make no mistake about it, Newt and Romney are both globalist progressives.

 

Libertarians have about as much capacity for discussing this topic as PC liberals. Thank you for demonstrating that for everybody.

What Christian groups are currently killing people in Africa and South America? Or are you just counting any murders that happen in these areas as "Christian killing"? Next you will blame the US military for killing for Christianity.

Not according to Bin Laden

He used "politics" as a way to get useful idiots on his side. Obviously his tactic worked. His true motivation was religion.

Let's see your immature dismissal that you substitute for valid arguments. I wouldn't accuse you all of having a hive mentality if you didn't always act the same.

 

Typical failing of an argument that can't be refuted. You are afraid that you will be killed by a muslim, it is obvious to people who are reading your posts that you make that says muslims are evil and violent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

There are small pockets of extremist in every group. They usually get the most exposure than people like Tim Tebow. Christians have used their religion just like Muslims. And although Christ never used a sword and discouraged his followers and protectors from using the sword, people have twisted his words and teaching to get the useful idiots to commit terrorism.

There are peaceful Muslims, and unfortunately, our CIA incited a revolution in Iran that had the last democratically elected leader removed because he wasn't so friendly with England.

And those in our government plays the exact opposite roles to get you to vote for them. They spew the same hatred towards an entire people because of the beliefs of a very few.

 

i'm not asking if you think he can win

do you think ron paul will win the presidential election?

there's already one, if you bring up ron's old newsletters in a negative way, you get banned

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forum.php

 

Right, because "See, there is a muslim standing behind you ready to kill you right now. LOOK OUT!!! And you call Ron the conspiracy theorist. "All muslims are out to get you....BOOO" is really a bulletproof argument. What a heavyweight knockout blow to the factual evidence I provided!

You retreat to hyperbole and strawmen when you have nothing else to offer. Typical and transparent tactics of desperation on a topic you know little about.

Hilarious, that generic Wikipedia article that you searched for in haste does not include any stories about Christian extremism in Africa and South America, two places you included in your original claim about Christians killing people. This is why I know Paul is wrong on the subject of Islam. Weak responses such as yours are offered up as rebuttals.

And Muhammad did use a sword and encouraged his followers to use swords. That's the difference, and explains why Islam has a much bloodier history than Christianity. It means something when the carnage caused by a religion is in agreement with the belief system, rather than in spite of it.

And that explains why the entire Middle East is a hotbed of Islamic extremism? That explains why Muslims in China and the Philippines are killing non-Muslims in their respective countries, and claiming they are helping to advance Islam? That's why genocide is occurring in Sudan? That's why preachers are being beheaded in Africa?

There is a very long history of Islamic extremism that shows that Muslims, as a group, have acted very similar for a very long time. What is old is new again, and we aren't the prime mover for their ideology.

On the contrary. I find our Government to be extremely clueless on this issue. Bush praised Islam in front of the world, claiming it was a religion of peace. Obama has done even more to glorify the religion of peace. Only now do I see a few lightbulbs going off above the heads of the current group of GOP contenders, and they are attacked as bigoted, racist xenophobes by liberals and libertarians alike.

 

And how would you do anything to keep them out, without instituting some sort of authoritarian control over immigration?

What you just said is likely grounds for being branded a neocon, according to some of the other Ron Paul adherents, here.

 

I'd say "sorry, you're from nation X, too many jihadists, no passport for you." "Sorry, this border is closed. No welfare or school for you."

I don't buy into PC garbage either, democrats drive me crazy with that (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

I agree with the man, screw Ron Paul.

I'd rather vote for Obama, at least he's willing to listen to the experts and not some cockamamie foreign policy from the days before the Monroe Doctrine. We're out of Iraq and winding down in Afghanistan inside the next year. WTF else do we expect? Complete withdrawal for South Korea? Sell Taiwan back to the Chinese like suggested in the NYT?

No thanks.

 

I would be honestly curious to see what other libertarians think about this. Sounds like common ground I wouldn't mind sharing.