Is college becoming an ever increasing scam?

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Let's get the clip notes version, I have no desire to watch an hour long youtube video.

 

It's clear that a four year degree has lost its significance in our more competitive society. It still does have some meaning though, keep in mind that around 27% of the American population has at least a bachelor degree and only 10% have something higher than that (masters or doctorates).

Even though the degree won't land you the promise it had years ago, it's still something that gives you a competitive advantage over someone else. You have to weight the costs of the price and the relative future your degree holds in our changing economy.

 

lol yes and no. depends on what you are attempting to tackle. Some degrees are just there to bring in people who really have no desire to do further education. Other degree programs are specific and guaranteed to invigorate growth through knowledge. So yes...and no

 

For the most part yes. Right now there are very few degrees that are worth the tuition because there is no guarantee you will find a job or one that will be worth the money spent. If it keeps up, we will see a trend back towards trade schools and entrepreneurship type studies. You do need to have a specific goal in mind. Going to college just to go to college and figure it out why you're there and changing majors is no longer much of an option.

 

It is. College is expensive and only helps a little bit, and you have to get specific degrees. If you go in with a plan, and work hard, it could make you rich. Maybe. But if you are the average Joe... and don't have a law or medical career... you're screwed.

 

Was it never a scam? They put all sorts of 'requirements' before you can even hit 'core' classes...

College/university is nothing but a scam devised to indoctrinate the unknowing and unwilling to fight such trash... Anyone that's been to one can tell the pure Marxist trash that is preached every day....

 

Yeah gotta admit I'm not happy about being forced to take garbage for my degree. I'm working in computer science; I don't need to know simply psychology, art, etc. If they cut those classes I'd be out faster, for less money, and have the same relevant information. This whole "well rounded student" stuff is garbage. If you want to learn it you will, and if you want to take a formal class on it you will. However if you don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) it's in one ear and out the other as soon as you pass the final. No amount of forcing someone to do something will make them truly interested. If the majority of society are so deficient that they have to have college force them to take classes to find out their interested in something, I mean I'm lost for words. It's a stupid concept.

 

That's the Marxist scam, the 'other' (*)(*)(*)(*) you have to 'learn'.. From what I got, they sure as (*)(*)(*)(*) don't cater to veterans! I got lucky and a few were really cool, my one prof was a Korean War vet, I did awesome in that class, but (*)(*)(*)(*) sure did ALL the work! My English teacher was vet friendly, nice gal, did well, but still had to earn! The most hard core libs were tough to beat, but beatable, bring the facts, they can't dispute that, regardless of whatever thrash propaganda they preach...

 

yes its apparent everytime there is an advertisement selling education on the TV, they have turned it into a for profit system rather than a legitimate system paid for by the government to evolve society

for the regular universities look at the physician curriculum they make family physicians waste 4 years in medical school doing surgeries on human cadavors and many other things that they would never do when they get into the office just to waste their time and make more money

if the training was more specific it would probably take 1 or 2 years to complete because they spend their whole career prescribing meds that have nothing to do with most of what they learned in med school

 

For those who can't afford it, or just want to learn more for the sake of learning..http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesma...t-game-changer-free-online-education-for-all/

 

If you watch the video, the charge is that government IS paying for college education is primarily the problem. All government does is insist that every person who applies for a student loan can get a student loan because they have basically taken over the student loan racket. In the process, tuition continues to go sky high and unabated when every other sector within society is on the decline except health care costs. I think I heard that tuition has gone up some 500% since the 1990's.

Conversly, if you let the market sort these things out then private banks will only give loans to students who are likely to pay it back. In addition, if the loans become absurdly too high then loans will not be given, students will not go to college, and colleges will have to find another line of work if they don't lower prices. As it stands now, what is happening to tuition costs is the same that is happening to medical costs. Government jumps in and gaurantees to pay for services which causes such services to sky rocket in price. In the interim, just sit around and wait for the tuition bubble to burst. Debt for tuition has now surpassed credit card debt and the American tax payer is on the hook for it......again.

If you ask me, the reason why this is occuring I think can partially be seen by the type of education kids are getting. For example, have you ever had a professor with right winged ideas? I haven't Basically they are a bunch of Big Government lefties. They are the government funded indoctrination camps for kids.

 

Yes. Most College and university education in the USA is paid for by tax money to operate.

It gives intillectuals a place to work, as most have no skill or ability to work outside the university. And the hours are short, and the pay is huge.

Throughout the past 30 years, college has been sold as a priority to get more money and to make people smart. All American's think that after HS they need to go to College to get a job. And thy sell this concept greatly.

In reality, only those with privilage (money and political influence), have any buisness in college after HS. IF a person does not qualify for scholorships, they do not belong in college.

Reality is, the massess who attend after HS will waste tens of thousands and valuable time attending college. Large debt, no skills, and no creditalbe employment background that any employer wants.

Employers want a person with a proven track record. Not just a degree. Employers want to know that they are not going to hire a workers comp fool with back pain, restless leg syndrome, or who will sue the company for discrimination or sex harassment. Employers want someone who has shown that they have went from agreculture worker (or burgerflipper), waiter, or honorable discharge from the military. And then went on to college, and did not need a loan. That shows the character of what employers want.

They also want to see volunteer work in the field they get into in college. That shows they are willing to sacrifice time and effort to the field, as well as selflessness.

As an employer, I want to see a track record of how a kid became an adult. HS degree to start. And things that can be checked on that will show the value and development of an individual.

All that BS recommendation letters mean nothing, any fool can write their buddy a goodie, and any college professor can do the same. What I look for is a verifiable record of employment that can be investigated and evaluated. Not opinion. What people do is more important than what they say they can do.

That is why so many are manipulated. In most government work, you can expect at least 15% of the employees are on some kind of workers comp at any given time. And government has the highest standards for hiring. You can imagine how many broke azz worker comp private employers have.

This is the highest cost for employers in the USA. Worker comp cases cost the employer twice. Medical and salary, and loss of production.

So for all those who do not plan their life from jump street, they will lose time and money in a big way.

After all, any union worker makes as much as most college degree holders. Go ask your friendly public safety offical, construction laborer, and transportaion worker.

Go ahead, go....go...

 

I know, they foolishly expected people to leave college educated and not simply trained. Now, people graduate and they can't write a simple paragraph. I asked a college graduate to define a sentence. He told me it was a bunch of words with a period at the end. That's the way he wrote, too. And a reporter, a college graduate, wrote, "25% of the City or 5,000 people...." I pointed out that according to his statement the city had a 135,000 or so. Oh, well, that wasn't important.

I don't think college should be simply vocational education and I don't think everyone should go to college.

 

Its a scam against tax payers funding of student loans that will never be repaid.

The government should end this practice immediately, then tuition will drop considerably.

 

No it's not a Scam!

It's the best way to Level The Playing Field!

Once you have it, it's can't be taken away from you.

 

the textbooks are a major scam

if the question is more ..... is a college degree the most cost effective method to get head then it can eb debated

first, a kid does not NEED to go away to school. That is more about partying than anything else. There are many local 2 year schools where you can get your first 60 credits rather inexpensively. Then, most of the population is within commuting distance to 4 year schools.

advance degrees may require moving if there is nothing offered locally for a specific study.

there are also many good trade schools which offer training on HVAC, auto mechanics, EMT, plumbing, electricians, cooking etc etc

I fail to see the need for a 4 year degree for someone to draw my blood (nursing) A 1-year program would suffice.

 

If America wants to compete with the rest of the world, it better promote Education and lots of it.

Or don’t complain about foreigners taking Jobs that are NOT yours.

 

We need to promote marketable skills not a cottage industry of Marxist ravings.

 

More Americans defaming higher education? This is getting ridiculous. At first I felt bad for Americans and their uneducated masses, but now it's just plain silly.

People wonder why the middle class is disappearing? They have a few smart scientists and professionals and a whole bunch of idiots who think a manufacturing job is good.

 

I just hope our young people aren't getting this advice from idiots who didn't have the stones to try. I'm glad my parents pushed me for College. It now affords me the free time to Debate Education with people who didn't even try and still our earn them exponentially.

Choices folks ... it's all about choices.

 

You weren't this person were you?

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Keep Wishing and Hoping ... but this is now your World

 

yes, it is a scam. watch this and see how it's done.


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Not going to watch a one-hour conspiracy video. Summarize it.