You really think Iran is going to commit suicide by nuking Israel?

Do you really think Iran wants to murder everyone inside Israel, including other Arabs and Muslims?

Do you really think Iran thinks they can just turn Israel into glass without affecting the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights, or parts of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, or Egypt?


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Do you think Iran thinks they can nuke Israel and get away with it?

Really? Seriously???

 

Iran is a Shia nation, not Sunni. And crazier things have happened. If Iran is foiled in their attempt to go nuclear there is no reason to speculate or depend on the rational behavior of Iranian theocrats that live inside a sixth century mind set.

 

Iran has done crazier things than nuke a country?!

Can't wait to here this!

I take you basically answered "yes" to all my questions?

 

With Iran's current leadership, it is a definite possibility.

If the Iranian people can retake their nation, (the one "arab spring" movement we ignored, but should have supported full force), then absolutley not.
But the odds of the Iranian people gaining their Freedom are remote, at best, IMO.

 

Mooslime only think about hatred, not consequences.

 

And then Israel sends hundreds of nukes, obliterating Iran and their holy land... I don't think Iran is that stupid.

 

You think they are willing to kill the millions in Israel and surrounding borders and know that them and millions of Iranians, if not their entire country, will be killed to for their actions, really? You really think that?

 

I take it you basically answered "yes" to all of my questions?

 

No but then again I didn't think Iraq had WMD. I guess I should have listened to more American news and intelligence. Iran will build nukes for sure after seeing what happened to Iraq but I doubt they really want to. Nukes are their insurance against invasion. If they aren't bombed to the stone age they will be a regional economic super power and that's more important these days than weapons.

 

Nice to know there is some sanity on this forum!

And I don't think only Israel will launch nukes back, I'm sure their (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) (the U.S.) will gladly launch at Iran too.

 

I don't think so. All religious leaders are businessmen at heart. Pass the collection plate..

Iran is all about being the taunter in a trident fork aimed at the heart of the US's expansionist military muscle: http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/220909-plan-iran.html

But at the end of the day, she eats, sleeps and craps oil revenues. That is her first God.

 

Yep. Read Ahmadenihitler's disertations regarding the "New Caliphate":



Ahmadinejad isn’t hiding what he believes. He denied the Holocaust. He blasted the U.S. for bringing Osama bin Laden to justice. He blamed the terrorist attacks of 9/11 on the U.S. government. He insisted that his so-called messiah known as “Imam al-Mahdi” or the Twelfth Imam is coming soon. He insisted that Jesus Christ will come with the Mahdi to take over the world. He called for “the shared and collective management of the world.”

Consider this excerpt:


This movement is certainly on its rightful path of creation, ensuring a promising future for humanity. A future that will be built when humanity initiates to [tread] the path of the divine prophets and the righteous under the leadership of Imam al-Mahdi, the Ultimate Savior of mankind and the inheritor to all divine messengers and leaders and to the pure generation of our great Prophet. The creation of a supreme and ideal society with the arrival of a perfect human being who is a true and sincere lover of all human beings, is the guaranteed promise of Allah. He will come alongside with Jesus Christ to lead the freedom and justice lovers to eradicate tyranny and discrimination, and promote knowledge, peace, justice, freedom and love across the world. He will present to every single individual all the beauties of the world and all good things which bring happiness for humankind.


Though most world leaders do not appear to understand what Ahmadinejad is really saying, students of Shia Islamic eschatology, or end-times theology, do. The Iranian leader believes the end of the world as we have known it is increasingly close at hand. He believes the time for establishing an Islamic caliphate, or global government ruled by the Mahdi, is rapidly approaching. What’s more, he believes that the way to hasten the coming of the Twelfth Imam is to acquire nuclear weapons and use them to annihilate the United States, which he calls the “Great Satan,” and Israel, which he calls the “Little Satan.”

Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu understands what Ahmadinejad means. So do some of his top military advisers. That’s why they believe Iran is in the eye of a gathering storm in the Middle East, and the chance of a major war is growing.

“Iran has not abandoned its nuclear program. The opposite is true; it continues full steam ahead,” warned Maj. Gen. Eyal Eisenberg, home-front command chief for the Israeli Defense Forces, in a speech earlier this month. Also noting recent uprisings in the Arab world and growing tensions with Turkey, Eisenberg said, “This leads us to the conclusion that . . . the likelihood of an all-out war is increasingly growing.”


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/278195/ahmadinejads-apocalyptic-address-joel-c-rosenberg#


The 12th Imam will emerge after a "cleansing of fire"...a nuke?

 

Yes I do. Middle easterners living in the region are as dumb as a bag of hammers. They have only evolved as far as the 3rd Century and their consistently blowing themselves up is stark testimony to that. I wholeheartedly encourage them to kill each other. That's less we'll have to when the loonies start overflowing the asylum.

 

Iran's religious leaders certainly have a religious animosity towards Israel. However, their secular leaders probably are more concerned about the balance of power in their region.

What I find very interesting is that I have read that Israel has recently uncovered oil reserves in its area. They have also been bolstering their renewal energy technologies, beginning construction of a desalination plant on the Jordan River. Iran's recent actions could be due to the possible turning point in the economic power of the Middle East.

Iran's economy is also being crippled with sanctions. Israel always seems to be a likely target to put pressure on the west in order to get the sanctions lift. The funny thing is that the opposite occurs. The international community increases the amount of sanctions on Iran, and Iran ends up even worse off than before, angrier at the west.

Right now, Iran is considering closing off the Strait or Hormuz. Maybe part of their reasoning is that the United States is currently threatening to put sanctions on Iran's oil.

To conclude, it is obvious our actions towards Iran are not working. We need a different approach.

 

... but , but ZOMG Islamofascism !!!!

 

Please learn to read what is written. I said crazier things have happened. How rational was it for Japan to bomb Pearl Harbor or Al Qaeda to attack the Twin Towers,or Hitler to turn on the Soviet Union? Do you not think they knew there were consequences for their attacks?

I already made my answer. You don't have to speculate. If Iran tries to develop nuclear weapons, which everyone concedes to be true, we can assume they
anticipate they may choose to use them someday. There is no point in spending so much time and effort otherwise.

 

I disagree that the Iran approach is not working. If one were to diminish their economic influence, what else do they have to export, i.e., their energy sources exports are internationally controlled. Their influence and support of Hamas and others will diminish and hence their influence.

 

So have 33 years of economic sanctions on Iran been successful? Have they made the Iranian government less hateful towards the United States and Israel?

 

Come, now, amore!

You need to read more about the religious differences between the Shiite Muslims of Iran and Sunni Muslims of Saudi Arabia.

Shiite Muslims of Iran believe in and worship the coming of the Twelth Imam.

Check this out.

 

It does seem like Iran is a big bad nation and if we want peace it looks like we are going to need to bomb them. It's a better solution than continuing to just sit around and wait for them to attack someone with their military forces. Who knows how long it would be until that happens? I for one am sick of waiting.

 

1. Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in response to the US cutting off it's oil supplies. In other words, sanctions.

2. During the Gulf War, there were hundreds of thousands of Americans in the heart of the Muslim holyland (Saudi Arabia). This along with the constant meddling in the affairs of the Middle East by the US and it started to (*)(*)(*)(*) off some Arabs. Osama Bin Laden is solely responsible for the 9/11 attacks, but you have to ask what instigated him.

 

Some nations hope for more than healthy GDP growth....

You're thinking too much like a westerner.

 

3. Hitler attacked the Soviet Union because he thought Germany would win and they probably would have if the generals were running the show rather than politicans like Hitler.

 

Well, on the one hand I agree. But we need to note that hind sight is always perfect vision. Japan came very close to ending the US capabilities of waging war in the Pacific. Had they send in a second wave they might have succeeded. And we only know now that the US rallied as a result of what was termed a "surprise attack."

At the time Hitler's invasion of Russia made perfect sense. He needed steel. He merely underestimated the will of the Russian people and the severity of the Russian winter. I suggest you read up on what was the largest and most significant battle of WWII; it was not D-Day, but the siege of Stalingrad where despite occupying 90% of the city the Nazi's still lost.
And, history has yet to close the book on 9-11. There are some of us who say it change the face of the United States. Would pat downs at airports be permitted before then? Gitmo?
I would suggest Al_Qaida made the US a lot more like an Islamic nation than the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan mad them like the US.

 

Can you link to proof of that. No kook blogs or opinion pieces please.