Santorum wants to impose 'Judeo-Christian Sharia'

The Bible contains both old and new testaments. Sorry but I'm not playing your little 'gotcha' games.

 

Wow, i guess Conservative posters here don't have any special names for Obama, or Liberals or Democrats on this board huh? Talk about hypocrisy...

 

There are plenty of stories in the Bible that have violence. That does not mean violence is taught in the name of Christianity. But that would take more thought than linking to an atheist website and we all know you don't have that intellectual capacity.

To elevate your ignorance on the Sabbath

It was the custom of the Jews to come together on the Sabbath, which is Saturday, cease work, and worship God. Of the 10 commandments listed in Exodus 20:1-17, only nine of them were reinstituted in the New Testament. (Six in Matthew 19:18, murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, honor parents, and worshiping God; Romans 13:9, coveting. Worshiping God properly covers the first three commandments) The one that was not reaffirmed was the one about the Sabbath. Instead, Jesus said that He is the Lord of the Sabbath (Matt. 12:.

In creation God rested on the seventh day. But, since God is all powerful, He doesn’t get tired. He doesn’t need to take a break and rest. So, why does it say that He rested? The reason is simple: Mark 2:27 says, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." In other words, God established the Sabbath as a rest for His people, not because He needed a break, but because we are mortal and need a time of rest, of focus on God. In this, our spirits and bodies are both renewed.

The O.T. system of Law required keeping the Sabbath as part of the overall moral, legal, and sacrificial system by which the Jewish people satisfied God’s requirements for behavior, government, and forgiveness of sins. The Sabbath was part of the Law in that sense. In order to "remain" in favor with God, you had to also keep the Sabbath. If it was not kept, then the person was in sin and would often be punished (Ezekiel 18:4; Rom. 6:23; Deut. 13:1-9; Num. 35:31; Lev. 20:2, etc.).

But with Jesus’ atonement, and justification by faith (Rom. 5:1), we no longer are required to keep the Law and hence the Sabbath which was only a shadow of things to come (Col. 2:16-17). We are not under Law, but grace (Rom. 6:14-15). The Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus because in Him we have rest (Matt. 11:2. We are not under obligation to keep the Law and this goes for the Sabbath as well.

http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuteronomy/should-we-keep-sabbath-or-not

More enlightenment for the massively ignorant.

When we read Old Testament scriptures that speak of the Sabbath Day, we see just how important it was to God and how important it was for God's people to observe it. In this book, we will look at what the scriptures say about that day and try to understand what God wants from the Christian world with regard to its observance. What does God expect from us?

Let’s look at what the scriptures say about the Sabbath Day. It had its roots in God’s creation works. Remember, God worked for six days to complete His creation. Scripture says of God’s creation work that by the seventh day God had completed His work, “Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.” (Genesis 2:3)

God completed His creation works on day six and then, on the seventh day, He rested from all of the work that He had done. Because He rested on that day from all of His works of creation He blessed it and sanctified it and He made it a holy day. It was so holy in the eyes of God that He made it one of the most important commandments in the old covenant Law....

God gave it as commandment number four, in the Ten Commandments. God had rested from His creation works on the seventh day and, in His old covenant law, He commanded that His people also remember that day and that they observe it as a day of rest.

God gives it as a part of the Law of Moses:

Exodus 20

8 "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. - - - -

9 "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, - - - -

They were to keep the Sabbath Day (the seventh day of the week) holy. He went on to explain why He commanded that it be kept holy. It was to be kept holy because it was the day that He rested from His works of creation. This was such a holy day to God that He expanded the commandment to observe that day to include severe punishment for disobedience. Let us look a little closer at that punishment.

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How serious God was about it:

Exodus 31
14 `Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. - - - -

17 "It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed."

God considered the day so hallowed that the punishment for breaking that commandment was to be cut off from his people. That always meant to be removed from the list of heirs to the Promised Land, but it also included the earthly death sentence.

There was one example, in the Old Testament scriptures, of a man who was caught gathering wood on the Sabbath. When Moses inquired of God about what to do with him, God said he should be put to death. They were commanded to stone him to death (Numbers, chapter 15).

God told His people that observance of the Sabbath was to be a perpetual covenant and that it was to be a sign between God and His people forever. Why would God say that it would be a sign between Him and Israel forever? Nothing on this earth is forever.

If God really meant what He said, we need to find out what He meant. Remember, God does not lie. If He said it was to be a perpetual covenant, it will be. If it is to be a sign between God and the sons of Israel forever, it is a sign now, for the spiritual sons of Israel.

When God said, it is holy to you, it was holy to His old covenant people but it is also holy to Christians. If that is true, why do we not regard it like the old covenant people regarded it? Why would God consider it to be so holy at one time but then suddenly it no longer has application to His people? It was such an awesome and holy day under that old covenant; and, yet, it seems to mean very little too many Christians.

Regarding its application to Christians, most Christians do not observe the old Sabbath Day, in any way. Remember, Saturday, the seventh day, is the Sabbath Day. Are we making a mistake by not keeping it holy? As we search for the answers, we need to remember that the things of the old Law worship included things that were just a copy or a shadow of our heavenly things (Hebrews, chapters 8-10).

We can also remember what Paul said about the old Law regulations, in Colossians, chapter 2. He said that Jesus "cancelled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross".

A few verses later, he writes, "Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ".

The old Law regulations were the debt that was to be paid for sin. Jesus paid that debt and nailed it to the cross. We no longer owe that debt and we are no longer under those regulations.

The old Law regulations included food restrictions and festivals and new moons and it included Sabbath days. Paul tells us that it was a "mere shadow" of what was to come. What was to come is the law of love of the new covenant. The old shadow is over. Only the substance is left and it is found in Christ Jesus.

If the old covenant requirement to observe the Sabbath Day was part of the "mere shadow" of what was coming in the new covenant, then the reality of the true Sabbath is what applies for us. That Sabbath is the one we are to treat as holy to the LORD.

If the old covenant Sabbath day was a copy or shadow of a day that applies to us, then it would be like one of the parables of Jesus in the New Testament. The old shadow is teaching us about the reality. If it is like a parable, we need to look closely at what Jesus is telling us about the sign between God and the sons of Israel. Remember, it will be a sign forever.

Paul said the old Law regulations were a shadow of the substance that was to come. The Hebrew writer also referred to the old Law as a shadow. He tells us about it in chapter 10. He wrote, "For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near". Allowing God's people to draw near to the Father requires that they be made perfect and the old shadow could not do that.

The Sabbath Day is still in effect, in some way, under the new covenant. As we study about the Sabbath, we should remember that the word "Sabbath" means, "to cease" or "stop". Thus, the seventh day Sabbath was a day to stop work and rest.

How are Christians being told to cease or stop something? We know what it meant for them. What does it mean for us? How would a Sabbath day that God established as a sign between Himself and His people, apply to any day for us? The old Law specified the Sabbath Day commandment but the old Law was removed and replaced.

How does the old Law commandment to keep the Sabbath Day holy tell us about the Sabbath Day reality? We could say the same thing that I might have said years ago. Sunday is the new Sabbath day for Christians. Is that the answer? If Sunday is our answer, it should fit in with what the scriptures say about the old being a copy and/or shadow of what applies to us.

Let's assume that it is a shadow of our Sunday. The first day of the week is an earthly day with spiritual meaning for Christians and the old Sabbath was to the old covenant people, also. Both days, however, are earthly days of an earthly week.

Their day was so holy that death was the punishment for disobedience. We find no such restrictions and punishment for Christians working on Sunday. The New Testament scriptures do let us know that Sunday is the day we are to assemble together for worship and to partake of the Lord's Supper, but nothing is said about work restrictions.

In all likelihood, the first Christians observed both days. Remember, the gospel was only preached to the Jews in the beginning. Many of those first Jewish Christians continued to keep the old Law. Even the apostles continued to keep the Law for many years after the cross. Those Jewish Christians likely observed that old Sabbath Day, as well as meeting for worship on Sunday.... Remember, also, their day began at sundown on one day and ended at sundown on the next day. Their first day of the week began at sundown on Saturday and ended at sundown on Sunday. They may have observed the Sabbath and then, possibly met for worship and had the Lord's Supper during the dark hours, after sunset on Saturday.

Many would have been required to report for work after daybreak on Sunday morning. There were several thousand Jewish Christians within the first few weeks of the church and many of the early Jewish Christians would have been servants under non-believing Jewish masters and would have had no choice but to work.

We can see an example of Christians worshipping during darkness in Acts, chapter 20. Scripture says that, "On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight".

During his long message, one of the young men fell asleep. The young man fell out of the window and was killed but Paul brought him back to life. Afterwards, we read where they went back up and broke bread an ate and Paul continued his message until daybreak.

We can't be certain but their regular meeting time may have only lasted two or three hours. They were gathered to break bread. That almost certainly means they were gathered to partake of the Lord's Supper. On this occasion they partook after midnight. Based on the way that we tell time today it would have been in the early hours on Sunday morning.

If there is a Christian earthly Sabbath day, and if violations are just as deadly as it was with the old Sabbath, it would be telling Christians that death is the punishment for us if we violate the law of that day. We need to be sure we know what that law is. Can you imagine the terror of being faced with death if we made a mistake and did something to profane the Sabbath Day?

The works of creation brought about that Sabbath Day rest. Let us look at what the New Testament scriptures say about who actually did the work of creation. Who created the heavens and the earth? Who did the work and who rested? God did the work, but He did it all through His Word. Jesus is the Word. John tells us about it in his gospel.

http://www.themysteryrevealed.net/sabbath.html

Once again your ignorance is on display for all to see. The literal interpretation of cherry picking quotes from the Bible fall flat on their face when you actually read the entire book and especially how it is taught.

But go ahead Snake. Keep digging that hole. I love a show after breakfast.

 

You started with the "gotcha games", now you're hoist with your own petard. By all means, gather all your marbles and run home to mommy...

 

He wont do it because he doesn't understand the subject. All he knows how to do is link to an atheist website. That much is obvious.

 

I love how you think it's only liberals that do it.

 

1. Tolerance works both ways. And I'm really sick of the selfish secular/liberal crowd expecting everybody to be tolerant of their bull(*)(*)(*)(*) while they practice zero tolerance at all toward anyone else.

2. Santorum has said nothing about instilling old testament law. That is a bigoted, anti-Christian interpretation of his message. He's not talking about doing anything that the Founding Fathers didn't do at the inception of this country. The fact that so many people today are so shocked by anything he's saying shows just how far removed we've become from our founding principles and how few people today even understand the original intention of the establishment of this country. Ironically, was is ideas exactly like Santorum's that gave you all that you have today as an American.

 

Oh, you mean like

Balack Ohmama
oBlameya
Obama Bin Biden his time
Hussein HopenChangen
Barack Hussein Alinsky
Redistributor-in-Chief
One Big Ass Mistake, America
Mr. PresiDEBT
BoBo the Clown
Obamination
Chimpy the Kenyan
D'OHbama


...sure, we have names.. but we don't simply throw them as responses to otherwise intellectual banter. Like I said, most of us stopped doing that after elementary school.

 

haha really, most of the time these terms (plus many more) are thrown around are when its mainly conservative posters are decrying another Obama/Liberal/Socialist policy in a thread with the majority of responses being from other Conservatives using much of the same names, terminology...

 

I typed in Santorum into google search and the first thing on the list is...

Santorum 1. The frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex. 2. Senator Rick Santorum.

 

LMAO - I'm glad I'm not a Santorum follower...

 

Nice post. Makes about as much sense as your sig. Thanks once again for reaffirming that all libs can do is throw slop.

Slop 1. The frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex.

 

That's disgusting !!!! Those Roman guys sure did pass down some filthy awfull names to the modern day Italains didn't they. I obviously I GIVE no respect or haved any confidence in that bufoon Santorum but that definition is not something that needs to be posted. Let it go !!!

 

Yeah, Santorum deserved a google bombing.

He's basically just Bachmann with a penis.

Hopefully, this also means he's going to lose as badly as Bachmann in the long run. There's no doubt he would get killed in the general election debates.

If Santorum actually gets the nomination, it will basically involve the GOP giving the election to Obama.

 

Santorum should be imprisoned for even suggesting such a thing. He is a real and present threat to the Constitution of these here United States. But I don't think he's about imposing Sharia Law. Biblical Law is subversive enough.

 

Uh... no. Let the electoral process fix things. You can't imprison someone for a viewpoint. That's equally as oppressive as theocracy.

 

I used to post here years ago and my style whether anyone likes it or not is that I show irreverence for politicians and most officials and hollywood stars. Therfore I have knicknmaes for them. Those who do not like it do not have to read my post. Put me on ignore as I have certain people here when I was active here. For those who think that they are insulting me by asking making stupid statement at me I will tell you I do nor care I just write you off as less than intelligent and lacking immagination.

 

Don't tabulate the little feathery bobkins until the Rotund Lady has completed bellowing out her wailings.

 

agree, let all of the people know him for the extremist bufoon that he appears to be.

 

You CAN imprison someone for proposing the overthrow of the Constitution. Perry should have been imprisoned for proposing Texas secession.

 

I say lets do it. Then all the christians can go to to war with all the muslims. After both sides annihilate each other, the us atheist can take over the planet and we can let common sense and logic dictate policy for once.

Rick the prick Santorum for president!

 

Secession is against the law, but talking about it isn't.

Sedition is similar.

If you're caught with plans to overthrow the government via violence, then yes, you can be imprisoned.

You can't be imprisoned for suggesting that you would like to change the Constitution to a very different design or that you essentially want to "repeal" the Constitution.

These concepts are related, but there's a good reason why one is punishable and the other isn't.

 

I don't think it's a fear of "Christians"..it's disdain to think that religious intolerance will be forced upon us by the wing nuts. You don't believe in abortion in your religion, don't have one. But this is a secular nation..without religious influence on our government..and women have a right to determine their own bodies.

 

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a liberal.

Get those brown-shirts ready *******s!




You liberals are truly the most gullible people on the planet. A failed comedian takes a quote, puts it in the context he wants and you lap it up like the sheep that you are.

What Biblical law has Santorum stated he will impose on the American people? Let's see it.

Put your money where your ignorance is.