Who has the right to Israel?

There were no Jews 10,000 years ago.. There were Natufians.


http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/226329-ancient-jewish-scrolls-found-afghanistan.html

 

You sir are a liar the land was not renamed Palestine by the Romans (in order to wipe out any trace of the Jews) until 135 AD, Herodotus was referring to all the lands between Phoenicia and Egypt.

 

Good essai Doctor. Them Israeli haters ain't going to like this informative post.

 

Modern Jews can trace their genetic lineage back to the neolithic peoples of the Levant more than 10,000 years ago.


A sample of 526 Y chromosomes representing six Middle Eastern populations (Ashkenazi, Sephardic, and Kurdish Jews from Israel; Muslim Kurds; Muslim Arabs from Israel and the Palestinian Authority Area; and Bedouin from the Negev) was analyzed for 13 binary polymorphisms and six microsatellite loci. The investigation of the genetic relationship among three Jewish communities revealed that Kurdish and Sephardic Jews were indistinguishable from one another, whereas both differed slightly, yet significantly, from Ashkenazi Jews. The differences among Ashkenazim may be a result of low-level gene flow from European populations and/or genetic drift during isolation. Admixture between Kurdish Jews and their former Muslim host population in Kurdistan appeared to be negligible. In comparison with data available from other relevant populations in the region, Jews were found to be more closely related to groups in the north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turks, and Armenians) than to their Arab neighbors. The two haplogroups Eu 9 and Eu 10 constitute a major part of the Y chromosome pool in the analyzed sample. Our data suggest that Eu 9 originated in the northern part, and Eu 10 in the southern part of the Fertile Crescent. Genetic dating yielded estimates of the expansion of both haplogroups that cover the Neolithic period in the region. Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin differed from the other Middle Eastern populations studied here, mainly in specific high-frequency Eu 10 haplotypes not found in the non-Arab groups. These chromosomes might have been introduced through migrations from the Arabian Peninsula during the last two millennia. The present study contributes to the elucidation of the complex demographic history that shaped the present-day genetic landscape in the region.

We propose that the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews (Nebel et al. 2000). According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula, as is seen in the Arab-specific Eu 10 chromosomes that include the modal haplotypes observed in Palestinians and Bedouin. These haplotypes and their one-step microsatellite neighbors constitute a substantial portion of the total Palestinian (29%) and Bedouin (37.5%) Y chromosome pools and were not found in any of the non-Arab populations in the present study. The peripheral position of the modal haplotypes, with few links in the network (fig. 5), suggests that the Arab-specific chromosomes are a result of recent gene flow. Historical records describe tribal migrations from Arabia to the southern Levant in the Byzantine period, migrations that reached their climax with the Muslim conquest 633–640 a.d.; Patrich 1995). Indeed, Arab-specific haplotypes have been observed at significant frequencies in Muslim Arabs from Sena (56%) and the Hadramaut (16%) in the Yemen (Thomas et al. 2000). Thus, although Y chromosome data of Arabian populations are limited, it seems very likely that populations from the Arabian Peninsula were the source of these chromosomes. The genetic closeness, in classical protein markers, of Bedouin to Yemenis and Saudis (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994) supports an Arabian origin of the Bedouin. The alternative explanation for the distribution of the Arab-specific haplotypes (i.e., random genetic drift) is unlikely. It is difficult to imagine that the different populations in the Yemen and the southern Levant, in which Arab-specific chromosomes have been detected at moderate-to-high frequencies, would have drifted in the same direction.

Eu 10 was the most frequent haplogroup among Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin (table 1), with a low haplotype diversity (h=.82) in both populations. Forty-two percent of the haplotypes and 47% of the chromosomes in Eu 10 were only observed in the two Arab populations. Palestinians had ∼42% of their Eu 10 chromosomes in common with Bedouin but had only 11% in common with the other four populations. The commonalities with the other four populations resulted from the sharing of low-frequency haplotypes. In contrast, in all the other haplogroups (except Hg 7, which was observed in only two Palestinian individuals in the present study), Palestinians shared 20%–46% of their chromosomes with the four non-Arab populations. Thus, the genetic distinctiveness of the Palestinian Arabs is mainly seen in the presence of specific high-frequency Eu 10 haplotypes not found in non-Arab groups.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1274378/?tool=pubmed

 

Are you Jewish, doctor?

If Jews are an ethnic group, then do they, like other ethnic groups, have physical features and traits that are exclusive to that ethnic group?

 

Herodotus and Pliny were describing all the land between Egypt and Syria. Look it up for yourself.

The Hebrews were just another Canaanite tribe... Only difference is that they had no land and were considered to be fringe people.

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/226329-ancient-jewish-scrolls-found-afghanistan.html

"Modern Jews can trace their genetic lineage back to the neolithic peoples of the Levant more than 10,000 years ago."

So can the Arabs..........

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group

An ethnic group (or ethnicity) is a group of people whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage, often consisting of a common language, a common culture (often including a shared religion) and/or an ideology that stresses common ancestry or endogamy.

 

Will the Taliban have the right of return?

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/226329-ancient-jewish-scrolls-found-afghanistan.html

 

No.

Ethnicity and race are not the same thing, the Jews have a shared language, culture, and in many cases a shared religion.

 

Thanks for your answers.

I am getting ready to go see my grand daughter, so will pick up on this later.

Have a good evening.

 

You are so (*)(*)(*)(*)ing full of (*)(*)(*)(*), Israel was formed centuries before Herodotus.

No they can't, they can trace it to the Islamic Imperialist conquests.

 

Wiki search: Points you should disprove...

Aristotle ( Meteorology) wrote: "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said.

Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistinê" in The Histories, the first historical work clearly defining the region, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.

One important reference refers to the practice of male circumcision associated with the Hebrew people: "the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times. The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learnt the custom of the Egyptians.... Now these are the only nations who use circumcision.

c.150 BCE: Polemon of Athens, Greek Histories, quoted by Eusebius of Caesarea in Praeparatio Evangelica: "In the time of Apis son of Phoroneus a part of the Egyptian army was expelled from Egypt, who took up their abode not far from Arabia in the part of Syria called Palestine"

c.130 BC: Pausanias (geographer), Description of Greece: "In front of the sanctuary grow palm-trees, the fruit of which, though not wholly edible like the dates of Palestine, yet are riper than those of Ionia

 

There were ARABS for thousands of years before Islam. ... Just like there were Canaanites for thousands of years before there were Jews.
Wiki points.

Aristotle ( Meteorology) wrote: "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said.

Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistinê" in The Histories, the first historical work clearly defining the region, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.

One important reference refers to the practice of male circumcision associated with the Hebrew people: "the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times. The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learnt the custom of the Egyptians.... Now these are the only nations who use circumcision.

c.150 BCE: Polemon of Athens, Greek Histories, quoted by Eusebius of Caesarea in Praeparatio Evangelica: "In the time of Apis son of Phoroneus a part of the Egyptian army was expelled from Egypt, who took up their abode not far from Arabia in the part of Syria called Palestine"

c.130 BC: Pausanias (geographer), Description of Greece: "In front of the sanctuary grow palm-trees, the fruit of which, though not wholly edible like the dates of Palestine, yet are riper than those of Ionia

 

They were not referring to Judah and Israel they were referring to all the lands between Phoenicia and Egypt.

 

The little bastards were throwing rocks screw them I would run them over and the masked ones and the people filming them instead of stopping them in the 1st place

 

right on that sounds like an underhanded land grab to me all right

 

is there some way to verify this

 

LOLOL.. get a map.. Phoenicia is Lebanon on the MED..

Palestine refers to all the land between Egypt and Syria.. Israel was a small city state within those fluid borders that was occupied for most of its history.

 

Yes.. go to google and look at the senators and congressmen who recieve money from AIPAC every year, by amount.

 

Fine then Israel modern formation was a bloody unjust mess or so I think after looking at the Wikipedia entry you win i don’t think Arab actins were entirely clean and honorable either

So no Jewish state that’s fine with me but i thick expelling them would also be wrong so what can be done to create a state where Jewish and Arab rights are both respected

 

You have all the right instincts.. The problem is NOT religion.. never was. The issue was culture.

It would be like 150 million foreigners invading the US over a 15 year period.

The European Jews were seeking much needed sanctuary and then proceeded to abuse the Arabs.

 

So is that on the congressmen’s websites or a government website or the aipac website?

 

Just google in .. AIPAC recipients.. Its published every year.

 

im sorry im probably doing something wrong hear but im not finding it i Google AIPAC recipients and their site comes up and a bunch of articles about them come up but not there total donations to politicians

And I’m going to need to be able to see who else is giving money if I’m to know that these people give the most

 

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/July_Aug_2004/0407027.html