‘This image is pretty striking’: An eerie snapshot of ‘Obama’s America’

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  1. BlackSand

    BlackSand New Member

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    What part of the government doesn't it fund ... So Again ... What is the lie?
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    Obstruct and blame, the new Republican strategy. Keep playing your games, it seems to be working out great for you guys, lol.
     
  3. BlackSand

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    I believe it is the Democrats that are obstructing legislation that funds the government, refusing to negotiate and blaming Republicans ... Democrats are pretty good at that game, and has been working for Democrats a long time.
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    Negotiating on how much government the Republicans are willing to destroy is not a compromise. No one voted Obama in to reduce the size of the government. Let me know when Republicans are willing to have honest negotiations. Obama has caved enough to these terrorists during the past 5 years. He understands the new age Republicans will never stop their destruction of America regardless of any negotiations.
     
  5. BlackSand

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    HJ Res 59 funds the government fully ... Delays the Individual Mandate for a year ... And gets rid of the Congressional healthcare subsidies.
    It doesn't destroy anything ... Other than subsidies President Obama promised Democrats in Congress after they decided they were too good for the ACA to apply to them ... and that was not part of the ACA legislation passed.
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    It destroys the individual mandate.
     
  7. BlackSand

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    It delays the Individual Mandate which does not destroy it.
    The Individual Mandate is fines levied against Americans that don't buy insurance ... Talk about terrorism, lolz.
     
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    GlobalCitizen Well-Known Member

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    And keep trying to force Congress to fund the ACA to the amount that the president sees fit, or not fund anything at all. Talk about games. No one can answer why Congress can't act to pay for parts of the govt that aren't Obamacare. Why is it Obamacare or no one gets s h i t?
     
  9. misterveritis

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    I would be willing to destroy a very great deal of the national government. Can we begin with the nearly 500 independent agencies?

    True, the takers vote to have the government steal ever greater amounts from the makers. From each according to his abilities. To each according to his needs.
     
  10. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting related article at your link:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...down-fight-for-rights-reopen/?intcmp=trending

    Roadside inn reopens after feds tried to shut it down over budget impasse

    WASHINGTON – The owner of a privately run inn along the Blue Ridge Parkway in North Carolina is back in business five days after the federal government forced him to close as a byproduct of the D.C. slimdown.

    Bruce O’Connell, owner of the Pisgah Inn, told FoxNews.com on Tuesday he was “hopeful” that his business would reopen -- and by Wednesday, it had.

    A posting on the company’s Facebook page said the inn was reopening at 5 p.m. Suggesting an agreement was reached with the feds, the post thanked the National Park Service “for working with us through all of this mess.” An employee also confirmed to FoxNews.com that the inn was re-opening.

    O’Connell was among a growing group of business owners who argued that the federal government was needlessly choking off their ability to earn a living, and were fighting back. O’Connell had been vocal about looking into his legal options following the forced closing.

    Congress’s inability to come to a compromise on bills that would have kept the government fully funded forced the inn, which is in a leased building on federal land, to shut down last Thursday.

    Initially, O’Connell defied the mandate and kept his restaurant, gift shop and country store open. His attempt at civil disobedience lasted all of two hours before rangers from the National Park Service came to his inn, blocked the entrances and prohibited patrons from coming in.

    On Monday, O’Connell told FoxNews.com that there were three cars and five rangers stationed outside his business in what he called a “24/7 blockade.”

    “It appears to me the Obama administration is choosing to make this shutdown as painful as possible by unnecessarily forcing privately run small businesses to close just because they happened to be located on public lands, especially when this didn’t happen in the last government shutdown,” Rep. Doc Hastings, chairman of the House Committee on Natural Resources, told FoxNews.com in a statement.

    Wednesday marks the ninth day of the government slimdown with hundreds of thousands of federal employees furloughed, national parks closed and a variety of other government services on hold.

    In Virginia, the owners of the Claude Moore Colonial Farm also reopened their doors Wednesday.

    Like O’Connell, the owners of the farm had considered taking legal action against the government. While no suit was filed, a source close to the owners told FoxNews.com that they “were ready to go and fight this.”

    Claude Moore sits on federal land but receives no federal sources for maintenance or operation from the government.

    “These sites operate without using a dime of taxpayer dollars or resources,” Hastings, R-Wash., said. “It is shameful that these private businesses are being punished because the Obama administration is more interested in playing more political games.”

    Martha Boneta, an organic farmer in Fauquier County, Virginia, who has had her own run-ins with the government, visited her friends at Claude Moore Monday.

    “Farming is such a profession of hope and when the government comes in and does something like this, it takes away and squashes the passion,” she told FoxNews.com.

    Boneta, who visited the Claude farm many times as a child, says the close-knit farming community came together to help out one of their own.

    However, she said Wednesday that despite the farm reopening, the owners are still out a lot of money.

    “These are really good folks that work so hard,” Boneta said. “They are still out thousands of dollars as a result of the shut down.”

    During the last government shutdown 17 years ago, Claude Moore farm was allowed to continue operating.

    “It’s my prayer that rational reasonable minds will prevail,” Boneta said. “We should look at history and that there is no reason to shut this farm.”
     
  11. rahl

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    The ACA
     
  12. BlackSand

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    The ACA is funded now ... It doesn't require the Continuing Resolution to remain funded.
    The government shutdown doesn't effect funding of the ACA ... And the HJ Res. 59 does not defund the ACA.
    The Individual Mandate is not funded by the government ... And refers to fines levied against citizens that don't buy insurance.

    So Again ... Where is the lie?

    Edit:
    Here is a wiki-link to "Individual Mandate" in the case that you probably don't know what it is or what it does.
     
  13. rahl

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    The lie is that they are willing to fund the entire government. They are not, as the link you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing provided shows
     
  14. BlackSand

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    HJ Res. 59 continues to fund all government programs and services, post sequestration rate at $986 billion until December 15, 2013 when 2014 appropriations legislation is due.
    That is what the link says ... You cannot make the House Committee on Appropriations link say something that it doesn't.

    So again ... What is the lie ... Besides the one you keep telling?
     
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    They are not willing to fund the ACA as is.

    Do you think you are fooling anyone?
     
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    And its Obama who refuses to fund the government if Congress doesnt fund the ACA.
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    No, I mean the Obama "if they bring knives, we will use guns" America.

    So, much for civility from Odumbo.
     
  19. rahl

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    nope. Obama has nothing to do with it. the ACA is law. if the GOP wants it repealed or changed, there is a democratic process they need to use in order to do so. Holding the country hostage is not the way to do it. You don't negotiate with terrorists.
     
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    Except Bush's actions were against foreign enemies while Obamas are against US citizens.

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    Because if they do it by witholding funding, Obama threatened to shut down the government.
     
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    nope. Obama has nothing to do with it. the ACA is law. if the GOP wants it repealed or changed, there is a democratic process they need to use in order to do so. .Holding the country hostage is not the way to do it. You don't negotiate with terrorists.
     
  22. Johnny-C

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    Let the Neo-Confederates (Tea-publicans) run the nation, and there won't be anything left to guard. America will probably be 3rd world, within a generation or two.

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    It's that clear. (Not worth arguing anymore.)
     
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    Any legislation funding the government requires Obamas assent, without a super majority to over ride it.
     
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    nope. Obama has nothing to do with it. the ACA is law. if the GOP wants it repealed or changed, there is a democratic process they need to use in order to do so. .Holding the country hostage is not the way to do it. You don't negotiate with terrorists.
     
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    This is grade school civics here. Presidents must approve of all legislation, without a super majority vote to overide his veto. Even if the Senate approved of the funding of the government, passed in the house, it still needs Obamas approval. He has already stated he would veto it.
     

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