‘We Made a Big Mistake’ — COVID Vaccine Spike Protein Travels From Injection Site, Can Cause Organ D

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  1. Eleuthera

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    Moi

    That's why they are pushing vaccines and suppressing knowledge of HCQ and Ivermectin.

    IMO, besides profits there are a few ulterior motives.
     
  2. Destroyer of illusions

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    This is true when it comes to diseases such as polio, measles, diphtheria ... and the like.
    I mean the fact - all these viruses are stable and not subject to mutation.
    But if we talk about the covid virus, then this virus tends to mutate (just like any influenza virus).
    That is, if, for example, you were vaccinated against one type of covid, then this vaccine will not save you from a mutated virus. And you, in order to resist the new species, need to be vaccinated against the new species again. And so every time?
    But the fact is that by continuing to vaccinate against new species, you wean your body to resist viruses with the help of the immune system. And you become addicted to the injection. Like a drug addict or a diabetic patient.
    By the way, who do you think would benefit from making the entire population of the planet dependent on the new vaccine?
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Everything that lives and reproduces by DNA is subject to mutation. Cosmic rays hit and sometimes damage everything and reproductive changes are not always perfect anyway
     
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    But I am sure you understand what kind of mutation, or rather the rate of mutations, I am talking about. Is not it?
    If a mutation occurs once, for example, in 10,000 years, then such a mutation can be neglected in the account of vaccination of the population. But if the mutation occurs within a month, then this is a completely different matter. Or am I wrong?
     
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    INADB my understanding is that mutation occurs more often in species that reproduce more frequently and which have larger populations to have mutations in. COVID reproduces hourly and has populations that are beyond trillions in total so it mutates quite often relatively.

    Given my admittedly limited understanding of how mutations occur I am still at a loss to understand how any species would be either more or less likely to mutate.
     
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    There is no “old technology” option in the US. The first adenovirus vector vaccine (for Ebola) was approved Dec. 2019.

    Viral vector vaccines have been trialed on a limited basis under compassionate use authorization in Africa as early as 2014. We’ve been playing with mRNA tech for many years as well. But all Covid vaccines in use in the US are new technology.

    Edit: there’s nothing wrong with new! New is good—better than old. :)
     
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    been around for a while

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/viralvector.html

    "Scientists began creating viral vectors in the 1970s. Besides being used in vaccines, viral vectors have also been studied for gene therapy, to treat cancer, and for molecular biology research. For decades, hundreds of scientific studies of viral vector vaccines have been done and published around the world. Some vaccines recently used for Ebola outbreaks have used viral vector technology, and a number of studies have focused on viral vector vaccines against other infectious diseases such as Zika, flu, and HIV."
     
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    the covid vaccine attacks the spikes, thus more likely to cover mutations

    we may be able to revisit the flu vaccine to see if can do something similar... but as that would reduce profits, probably won't happen

    some may think the covid vaccine was too good as it will not require yearly shots, maybe just one booster shot down the road
     
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    it that why Trump choose not to use those and instead choose a couple experimental drugs instead?
     
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    ...and got the vaccine on the sly even though he had some natural immunity after catching the virus.
     
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    Honesty is even better than new stuff. Operation Warp Speed institutionalized carelessness and deception. The crash test dummies will be paying the price for that deception and dishonesty.
     
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    Yep, just like mRNA. We’ve been playing with the tech for years. But the fact remains no adenovirus vector vaccine had gained approval until Dec. 2019.

    Here’s some history you are likely unaware of.

    https://www.drugdiscoverytrends.com...ech-behind-jj-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccines/

    As you know, I’m a big fan of being honest with people and basing decisions on empirical evidence as opposed to only evidence someone wants you to possess.

    As per the above article early adenovirus vectors (Ad5) caused adverse effects such as increased risk of acquisition of HIV in vaccinated individuals in trials.

    Newer Ad26 vectors seem to be better, but the reason we have been overly cautious (stopping administration when adverse effects pop up with say the Astra Zeneca) is because these are not old proven technologies. They are good, new technologies that require us to acknowledge the past problems going forward to assure safety. That’s what we are doing and I give credit where it’s due—the rollout of this new adenovirus tech has been correct.

    However, I’ve had it up to “here” with misinformation. Not from you, from the people you get information from.
     
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    Slowly the evidence builds that some/many/all of those who have taken the shots are now walking spike protein factories, and that is not good.
     
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    I prefer honesty and new stuff. Operation Warp Speed is fine. We just need to give full, accurate information and let people base their decisions on reality, not a reality created by someone else out of misinformation and omission of pertinent information.

    I started warning of the cost of less than complete transparency in August 2020. I will continue to do so because the only way to get intelligent people to give up their understandable skepticism of these vaccines is to stop spinning, omitting, suppressing, and fabricating information.
     
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    Strong skepticism of these shots is a sign of intelligence.

    Fools rush in where wise men fear to tread has always been true, especially today.

    Defense of these shots is a sign of credulity, most likely inspired by fear.
     
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    Defense from me is not/will not be based on fear. I dictate terms to Covid, it doesn’t dictate terms to me. I have no reason to fear, so base my posts on empirical evidence, wherever it may lead.

    I’m also uninterested in politicizing a virus/disease. I just want people aware of reality.
     
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    What difference does it make if Trump got the vaccine in private, or in public? If he got it in public, you'd accuse him of showboating, and if he got in private, you accuse him of getting it on the sly.
     
  18. Death

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    There are of course articles one can go to on this topic:

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health...izer-covid-vaccine-teens-symptoms-myocarditis

    https://www.healthychildren.org/Eng...se-myocarditis-in-teens-and-young-people.aspx

    I am not downplaying this concern but I would caution people not to conclude anything from reading articles predisposed to looking for arguments to discourage use of these vaccines. Try read more than one article.

    What does appear to be the case is:

    1-since December 2020 at least 4 million adolescents between ages 16 and 18 given the vaccine in the US did not develop this condition;
    2-1 is important to reference because the cases pf heart inflammation reported appear to be recent and mostly in teens age 16 or older and young adults;
    3-this condition appears to be more common in males than females;
    4-this condition seems to more common in being reported following the second dose; and
    5-in most cases this condition has presented itself within 4 days of the second dose.

    It should also be remembered anyone with pre-existing heart issues, diabetes, immune defficiency disorders, are ruled out for the vaccine precisely because their immune response system is already compromised and may not work well with many vaccines or medications not just the Covid 19 ones.

    We also have to rember children can carry Covid 19 and show no symptoms and spread it to adults and children who can become infected with COVID and get seriously ill.

    We also know that in the US, thousands of children have been hospitalized, and hundreds have died after being infected with the virus and those who have recoveredmay continue to have complications from the virus.

    Also we now COVID-19 itself causes myocarditis as do many viruses or exposure to certain chemicals and behaviour that compromises the lungs such as vaping, smoking. We also know in the 16-18 age group where most of these cases have shown up teen obesity, smoking, vaping, use of alcohol and otherdrugs in an excessive amount all can bring this condition on. So it may be some of these cases were brought on by undiagonsed Covid 19 or other conditions not diagnosed properly before the vaccine was given.

    As you may be aware, people with diabetes, heart-disease, cpd, auto-immunity disorders(cancer, aids, arthiritis, lupus, asthma, psoriasis, people taking drugs for cancer, organ transplants) all are considered high risk and screened out from using the vaccines.

    We also know that since December 2020, the US has given almost a third of a billion COVID-19 vaccine doses so any major rates of this condition would have shown far earlier.

    At this time The American Academy of Pediatrics, as well as the CDC, continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for people 12 years and older.

    You can see I just repeated what the above two articles said.

    I know parents have a lot on their plate to consider. I would say, speak to your gp and or pediatrician and pharmacist. They can all help you go through the issues and weigh them.
     
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    I will reword this so its not misunderstood as a personal attack. Your decision as an individual to live a riskly life is not germaine to the issue. If you choose to smoke, drink, engage in drug use, over-eat, that is of course your choice but if you develop medical complications from it that place a demand on society to look after you then there are limitations, particularily if you want a transplant or medical services competing with someone whose lifestyle did not lead to their disease.

    You are responsible for your risky choices, i.e., operating machinery unsafely at work, driving dangerously or without a seatbelt, drinking and driving and when such behaviour endangers others your simply saying you choose to be risky without consideration as to how you might negatively impacy on others, is not acceptable and is morally irresponsible.

    Very rarely to people with risky lifestyles only impact negatively on themselves.

    There is also a fine line between anyone being dangerous and negligent and being risky.

    So your decision to use yourself as a personal example, opens you to personal repudiation if your actions harm others.

    This is precisely the issue with Covid 19. Your not wearing a mask or taking proper precautions may be dismissed by you, but you could be spreading Covid 19 to others without even knowing it.
     
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    As soon as you can get everyone else in this world to live a life that does not " be risky without consideration as to how you might negatively impacy on others, is not acceptable and is morally irresponsible."

    .....then I will mend my evil ways. You never speed or eat unhealthy foods, never any risky behaviors?
     
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    The only hysteria here, my propaganda-purveying friend, is that surrounding vaccines.

    Russia and the USSR, by the way, have a long history of spreading just this sort of disinformation. You guys have been at it since at least he mid TwenCen.
     
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    The difference is in him not wanting to lose support from his rabid anti-vax base.
    It makes it look like he cares more for the support of his base than he does for their safety.
    I wouldn't accuse him of showboating if he had openly encouraged people to take the vaccine like he did. I'd praise him for doing the right thing for once.
     
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    No the issue is not whether you and I choose to engage in risky behaviour. It is when we choose to do so and it endangers others then it becomes a problem.

    I am a big fat head risky smelly sinner. I should run for office.
     
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    One week later I'm still alive knock on wood praise the Lord!!!
     
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    Speeding on the highways is a problem driving recklessly is a problem risky to others eating junk food is a problem to others we have to pay the taxes to pay for their health care and then dangers our financial health so where do we draw the line?
     

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