‘White Fragility’ author Robin DiAngelo gets tricked into paying reparations to Matt Walsh’s produce

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  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Oh? All you have to do is answer the question you've been running from this thread.

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    Who's "pride in accomplishment?"
     
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    Citizens of the united states of america.
     
  4. MelshieMaze

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    There were about 4 million or so slaves and other indentured servants that would thoroughly disagree with this bullshit statement.....
     
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    I doubt they would. Feel free to show us the ways that slaves built this country. I look forward to seeing it.
     
  6. MelshieMaze

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    Yeah, bullshit

     
  7. MelshieMaze

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    Read the last post.
     
  8. Lil Mike

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    I appreciate how @Sirius Black tried to bail you out by giving you an answer, but let's remember what you were responding to:

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    @Steve N definitely said "whites", not "citizens of the united states of America" in the statement that whites should feel pride not guilt, and you responded "how about feeling both?"

    So now that we know the subject was whites and not Americans, let's try this again. Do you support whites feeling pride for their accomplishments?
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL - I'm sensing some White fragility on his part. :smile:
     
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    They helped build the South which got steamrolled by the North. Given that there were only a quarter million blacks in the North out of a population of close to 25 million (1% of total), there weren't enough of them to build much of anything. 95% of the slaves went to South/Central America. If blacks get the credit for "building America", they must also take credit for building the 3rd world in South/Central America as that is where the vast majority of them went.

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    Predictably as the West falls and Asia takes center stage, black supremacist nutters are now claiming to have built Japan and wracking up impressive view counts in the process. I occasionally watch this toxic stuff because it is unintentionally hilarious.

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    And absolutely none of what you posted shows that I'm wrong in any way.
     
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    being victimized by other blacks who conquered them and sold them to slave merchants
     
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    Nope.
     
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    Yes, Africans Did Sell Africans Into Slavery


    A beloved talking point that ignores how White people reshaped slavery in Africa

    Nikki Brueggeman
    July 1, 2020


    “Blacks sold Blacks into slavery.”


    This smug proclamation is often used by people who wish to silence discussions of slavery and sooth White fragility. On the surface, it is a easy phrase to repeat. It seeks to derail any White responsibility for slavery and put Black people in the driver seat of causing their own suffering. After all, the slaves wouldn’t have ended up on those ships if not for the African hunters who pulled them out of the jungle, right?

    This phrase is sexy. It requires the person saying it to learn very little about historical context and simply know that Africans did take part in the slave trade. Wrapped in a bow, it is the perfect zinger in their mind to shut other people up. While there is truth behind the statement, it broadly ignores context and role of White people in the Atlantic slave trade.

    “Africans Were Part of the Slave Trade…”

    Slavery did exist in Africa before the arrival of White Europeans; as it did in many parts of the world. In truth, the practice of taking someone’s freedom and making them work for you with little to no pay or benefits is a simple idea. It is not as if White Europeans thought it up. However, White Europeans did craft a system that spanned continents and created an international economic system built on it. This new system of enslavement changed Africa, as observed by historian Marcus Rediker in his book The Slave Ship: A Human History: “The number of slaves held and the importance of slavery as an institution in African societies expanded with the Atlantic slave trade.”

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    Slavery looked different in Africa before the arrival of White Europeans, and we have historical records to prove it. As author Adaboi Tricia Nwaubani recalled in an article about her great-grandfather, an African slave trader:

    “Long before Europeans arrived, Igbos enslaved other Igbos as punishment for crimes, for the payment of debts, and as prisoners of war. The practice differed from slavery in the Americas: slaves were permitted to move freely in their communities and to own property, but they were also sometimes sacrificed in religious ceremonies or buried alive with their masters to serve them in the next life. When the transatlantic trade began, in the fifteenth century, the demand for slaves spiked. Igbo traders began kidnapping people from distant villages.”

    Nwaubani’s story is essential because it highlights a part of history that is rarely discussed within the narrative of “Blacks sold Blacks”. It shows that the Igbo people responded to the changes in the economic system (the selling/purchasing of humans). What Nwaubani’s narrative does not do is say that life was more humane prior to European arrival. Slavery within itself is a traumatic experience. However, as Nwaubani notes, prior to the arrival of the Europeans, slavery was focused on personal disputes, war, and punishment. The Europeans turned it into a formal system that relied on supply and demand.

    However, this participation does not derail the idea that legacies of slavery, like the Confederate monuments, should be demolished. It only broadens the scope and understanding of how slavery damaged communities. The African role in the Atlantic slave trade has left a legacy within African nations as some are now trying to cope with their part in this traumatic history. The Atlantic Slave Trade tore apart Black lives. It encouraged people to take part in a system where they sold their fellow man and established generations of Black trauma that diaspora communities are still working through.

    When someone utters the phrase “Blacks sold Blacks into slavery”, it is a scripted response. Rarely, do the people who use it know the specifics surrounding that experience of Africans selling other Africans. They only know that the phrase feels good to say because it blames Black people for their slavery experience. It removes responsibility for the legacies of slavery from White ancestors, hoping to preserve the flags, monuments, and revisionist history that is soothing to White fragility.

    In the end, the role of Africans in the Atlantic Slave Trade does not discredit the trauma or anger of Black Americans towards the institution that bound our ancestors. That knowledge only broadens how we understand the power of the system. It was so potent that it changed the way African societies operated in concern to pre-existing systems of slavery. As such, the quickly quipped “Blacks sold Blacks,” statement is a weak derailing technique.
     
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    Not to mention that white Americans invented RBCS (Race Based Chattel Slavery). The only time in history that a government proclaimed that black skin was to be the only skin colour that would be exclusively enslaved in its state. See the Maryland archives.
     
  16. Esau

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    Yes but at the behest of the Portuguese government who placed a bounty these so called "blacks/negro's" or whatever byword you label them by.

    The reward for the guinea princes was gold and whatever possessions these so called "blacks/negros" had.

    These "so called" were actually lancardos, to use the correct Portuguese terminology, merchants and traders in west Africa, whom circumvented Portuguese tax regulations.

    They also were members of the infamous Barbary pirates, you might have heard of them :aww:, bandits whom sought revenge for the Spanish inquisition.
     
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    without the help of Africans, white slavers never would have had a supply of slaves
     
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    Those Guinea princes were paid handsomely by the Portuguese crown to round up Lancardos (so called blacks/negro's). There is even a papal bull that establishes this institutional practice.
     
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    Bullshit.
     
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    blacks were paid to round up other blacks
    yeah I know.
     
  21. Esau

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    No, guinea princes were paid to capture Lancardos. That's the technical term but iGet that you think "all blacks look the same" :blahblah::blahblah:
     
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    so you think a few dozen men with muskets could have enslaved dozens of Africans if Africans had been united against slavery?
    https://billofrightsinstitute.org/essays/origins-of-the-slave-trade

    Snelgrave was right in that the slave trade was just that: a trade. Contrary to popular understanding, Europeans were generally prevented by disease and Africans wielding metal weapons from raiding the African continent and stealing away people they then enslaved. These limitations forced them to deal with Africans as equal business partners. After all, the business of slavery had existed in Africa and been controlled by the African elite since the seventh century. Some historians estimate that, before the arrival of the Europeans in the fifteenth century, Africans had sold upward of eleven million slaves to the Islamic world. When the Portuguese arrived on the coast of Africa, African merchants and rulers were more than happy to exchange enslaved Africans for various commodities. In other words, Europeans simply accessed the preexisting systems of slave trading and provided a new means of transport across the Atlantic to the Americas.
     
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    Snelgrave was right in that the slave trade was just that: a trade. Contrary to popular understanding, Europeans were generally prevented by disease and Africans wielding metal weapons from raiding the African continent and stealing away people they then enslaved. These limitations forced them to deal with Africans as equal business partners. After all, the business of slavery had existed in Africa and been controlled by the African elite since the seventh century. Some historians estimate that, before the arrival of the Europeans in the fifteenth century, Africans had sold upward of eleven million slaves to the Islamic world. When the Portuguese arrived on the coast of Africa, African merchants and rulers were more than happy to exchange enslaved Africans for various commodities. In other words, Europeans simply accessed the preexisting systems of slave trading and provided a new means of transport across the Atlantic to the Americas.
     
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    Yet only white Americans instituted RBCS. (Race Based Chattel Slavery) The worst war crime in history.
     
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    I suspect if you ask the ten million best educated American and ask them what the worst crime in history is, none of them would mention that.
     

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