“Why the Hell Are We Standing Down?”

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  1. APACHERAT

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    Because President Clinton ordered that Al Qaeda wasn't a national security issue but a law enforcement issue.

    That's why Clinton's Attorney General, Janet Reno put up the "wall" preventing the military, CIA, FBI, NSA, INS, and state and local LE from communicating with each other resulting in that the dots not being connected.
     
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    And you are applauding Trump continuing to deny the same thing, and are not bothered at all by the fact that he is doing absolutely nothing about it, either.

    The hypocracy of your post is obvious.
     
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    If you even talk right wing talk radios screamers like Levin, Wilkow and Sham Hammity seriously, than no wonder.

    All of them are professional liars who know that their only goal is to tell you exactly what you've already decided to believe in order to keep you tuned in.

    Of course, the points in your post make a mockery of any idea that there is anything legitimate coming out of these professional trash talkers.

    You make up some nonsense about Obama telling some imaginary lie in order to arm Muslim extremists in Syria, a claim that has no basis in fact of any kind. Yet you completely excuse Assads brutality and dance past Russian agression and the fact that the death in Sryia is a product of Assad's brutality, and not of the Obama administration.

    I'm quite sure that you were one of the right winger who yelled about Obama's "line in the sand" and other rhetoric of the same sort, but have nothing to say over Trump's meaningless cruise missle attack and even less to say about the fact that Assad went right on using chemical weapons on his own people in open defiance of Trump. That's apparantly OK with you, since you won't criticize this administration over it.

    Hypocracy noted.

    Then there is this;
    "The number of false narratives and abject nonsense coming out of these organizations and pundits is stunning. It was bad prior to 2013 but since then (when it became legal for our intelligence agencies to produce and disseminate propaganda on US citizenry) holy carp ... we are living in a propaganda state that Putin and Xi Jinping envy."

    Of course, there are no facts here of any sort. You make a claim that you don't support with any evidence. You make vague vitriolic statements about "false narratives" but don't name or document a single one.

    Lots of vitriol here, not one bit of substance.

    Then you went on about "13 computer geeks".

    Which is factually incorrect. In fact, the Russian FSB ran 13 different troll farms and staffed them with far more than "13 computer geeks" Clearly, you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

    Out of one side of your mouth, you dismiss the idea that the FB ads were effective, and then out of the other, you defend them by claiming that most of them were true. Is that an admission that you were a useful idiot for Russian propoganda? I notice that a lot of Trumpsters who know full well that they were punked by this campaign, try and dismiss it in either one or both of these two clearly diametrically opposed ways.

    Again ,the two faced nature of Trumpster rationalization is obvious.

    Then there a completely made up fake question about whether Russia punked the New York Times over the Iraq war. You obviously made this up on your own (or maybe Levin made it up, it's his style). of course, you dismiss that the organizations that led the drumbeat for war in Iraq were the same right wing media who now beat the drum for Trump and Putin.

    The threat that Russia has been posing to our electoral system and American democracy is real and very well documented, in contrast to your empty fact free claims

    It is the primary focus of intelligence agencies in almost all of the major western democracies. The United States is the only one doing nothing, and that is the direct result of the President's denials.
     
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    You start out with a strawman. If you had better reading comprehension you would have noticed that I end up criticizing these three.

    Then you engage in fallacious generalization. Of course there are things that these guys say that is legitimate (same with CNN).


    More Strawman. I did not excuse Assad's Brutality. War, and especially this war, is brutal. Do you not think Assad should be brutal with Al Qaeda/Al Nusra and ISIS ?. The US is brutal too in this war which spread into Iraq and in others ... and in intentionally targeting innocent civilians when going after the Terrorists that Assad is fighting. Israel also intentionally targets civilians.

    Don't blame me for your ignorance of Obama's "Moderate Rebel Lie". Even his own VP contradicted this false narrative, nevermind a bunch in congress on both sides of the aisle, and just about every journalist who has been to Syria .. our own DIA and so on.

    You need to get informed or you are going to look very ignorant.

    I can't stand the right and 80% of my posts are critical of the right Mr. Strawman. I have criticized the cruise missile attack numerous times ... earlier today in fact in a different thread.



    I was wondering if there were folks our there who were such ignorant simpletons that they do not realize at least some of the mass propaganda being thrust upon them.

    I have seen some of your previous posts and they seemed reasonable so I did not think you were in this camp - or is it disingenuous ignorance ?

    I am just getting started Pal. You need to get informed or you are going to end up looking very ignorant.
     
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    ......................."It's almost as if vast numbers of Americans are hypocrites"
    ............................................................................ there you go! FIFY :)
    ....................................................................................................................................................................... fixed it 4 U
     
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    Woops
     
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    Putin told Obama not to say anything about it.

    Putin was just putting the finishing touches on his pipeline into the Crimea that Obama turned a blind eye to.
     
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    Propaganda simply works much better on women. (AKA the vagina hat crowd)

    Goebbels was the first to understand this and use it to garnish socialist political power.
     
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    Since the world as it is today is the result of thousands of years of operation by men, all too many women -- and almost all beta male leftists -- tend to misinterpret history and WHY what is happening around them is actually happening. This does make it relatively easy for certain types of cynics to manipulate them, particularly those types who were steeped in Saul Alinsky type propaganda techniques.

    Ironically it makes them easy prey for well-trained leftist agitators who push bullet points (propaganda) and emotionalism. The main point being that it is always easier to tear down an existing system than it is to construct and maintain that system. Leftist radical leaders KNOW this and are using this principle against the foundations of this nation while hiding being the front of their legions of mindlessly . . . useful . . . idiots. It's sort of fascinating to watch . . . in a God help us all sort of way.
     
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    I have posted the video proving your valid point. Obama allowed illegals to vote. But that to Obama was not tampering nor meddling with the election, just common sense advice to illegals.

    I have made the point often that Obama was the president who could have made moves to stop the Russians were they tampering. This stuff where he pretended the Russians are far more advanced than we are is crazy talk.

    As Putin told Megyn Kelly, why would he care who won the election. He got no deals from Trump. We still must keep speaking of our troops on the Russian border. I fault Trump for keeping them where Obama put them. This sends a hell of a signal to Russia.
     
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    Goebbels sure gets a lot of praise from the Democrats. His comments to his German citizens were probably of the same nature as we got when i was a child from our own FDR led government. We had a lot of wild names for the enemy. Names one would not want to see used today.
     
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    Some day, you'll learn what the term "straw man argument" means.

    You uttered not one word of criticism of the three talk radio screamers you embraced at the top of your thread.

    Feel free to quote where you criticized them.

    Then you went on to use your favorite misused perjorative again, in attacking my points regarding your made up claims about Syria. Then you turned rigth around and repeated your claims again, again with not a shred of evidence. You added the false claim that the Syrian civil war spread into Iraq. In fact, ISIS existed in Iraq before the Syrian civil war started.

    "I am just getting started Pal. You need to get informed or you are going to end up looking very ignorant."

    Since you seldom ever make an argument you can back up with factual evidence, and almost never do so when challenged, I'm not too worried. You didn't refute a single word I said, and made not one evidence based argument.
     
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    Goebells and Trump would have gotten along just fine. Both understand the concept of the "Big Lie"
     
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    The master today of the big lie is the resistance. We know who they are. They vote for Democrats.
     
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    Russiagate Falls, FBI/DOJgate Rises

    The media are blindsiding the public on a nonexistent Russian collusion fairy tale.

    The Russiagate-collusion theory that was supposed to end Trump's presidency within six months has sprung more than a few holes. Worse, it has proved to be a cover for U.S. intelligence and law-enforcement bureaucracies to break the law, with what's left of the press gleefully going along for the ride. Where Watergate was a story about a crime that came to define an entire generation's oppositional attitude toward politicians and the country's elite, Russiagate has proved itself to be the reverse: It is a device that the American elite is using to define itself against its enemies – the rest of the country.

    The intelligence agencies leaked to complaisant reporters like Jane Mayer and Adam Entous were used by the intel-leakers to further their aims of bringing down the president:

    According to British court documents, The New Yorker was one of the publications that former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele briefed in September 2016 on the findings in his now-notorious dossier. In a New Yorker profile of Steele this week – portraying the spy-for-corporate-hire as a patriotic hero and laundering his possible criminal activities – Jane Mayer explains that she was personally briefed by Steele during that time period.

    The New Yorker has produced tons of Russiagate stories, including a small anthology of takes on the Mueller indictments alone. Of course, there's one by the recently-hired Adam Entous, the former Washington Post and Wall Street Journal reporter who broke the news that the Washington firm Fusion GPS, which produced the Steele dossier, had been hired by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee – a story that helped Fusion GPS relieve some of the pressure congressional inquiries had put on the firm to release its bank records. No doubt Entous will continue to use his sources, whoever they are, to break more such stories at The New Yorker.


    The media-intel collaboration began under Obama, and Entous hawked it and their cover story. Why would he bite the hands that fed him by revealing an unwarranted governmental intrusion on the privacy of Americans?

    Methodically, Smith unravels how Entous was repeatedly used to tar Russia and the attorney general with lies or improperly unmasked information.

    I cannot argue with his conclusion:

    If you think Russiagate is real, then you will probably conclude that Sessions, Prince, and Page are all part of a single, monstrous criminal conspiracy – and that Adam Entous is one of the most important journalists in American history, an indefatigable shoe-leather reporter who helped whistleblowers inside the federal government put the truth before the American public, like Bob Woodward, Carl Bernstein, and Neil Sheehan combined. If you think the collusion story is nonsense, then Entous is just a political operative with a convenient byline. And if you think Russiagate is a campaign of political warfare waged in the shadows by bureaucrats who violated the privacy of American citizens in order to undo election results they disagreed with, then Entous is something worse – an asset whom sectors of the intelligence community have come to rely on in order to manipulate the public.

    In any event, this past week, Attorney General Jeff Sessions dropped a bombshell on the leakers and their media handmaidens. He announced that he had already appointed an "outside Department of Justice official" to investigate the charges brought by the House Intelligence Committee and the matters revealed by the ongoing inspector general's investigation of wrongdoing by DOJ and FBI officials.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/art...te_noise_and_trump_reality.html#ixzz59UUCEAvp

    The sword of this horrible conspiracy the crooked Obama Administration perpetuated on the American Public in collusion with the Fake News Media will be slowly driven into the Left Bloody inch, by bloody inch, while your crimes are proclaimed to the American People.

    Spying on Americans,
    Weaponizing the IRS.
    The orgy of unmasking,
    Trying to overturn the results of an election.

    These are crimes against the American People for which you will be held accountable.
     
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    This is not true at all, and you know it.l

    You seem to think that you can wish the facts away.

    Besides, if you're a Trumpster,. you obviously take quite readily to being lied to.
     
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    Saturday Night Live mocks Mueller's 'Russia collusion' fail

    The Special Counsel investigation of charges that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to win election has become such an embarrassment that even Trump-hating NBC is mocking the failure to come up with any evidence. Last night’s cold open for Saturday Night Live used the season finale of The Bachelor to express disappointment, and probably to warn its Democrat-heavy audience that the game is up, so it’s time to move on.

    In perhaps the ultimate slam (and advice to Mueller that it’s time to give it up – the sort of thing usually reserved for mocking Sean Spicer or other Republicans – a female, Kate McKinnon portrays Mueller.

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    This is what I said
    and so on.

    What perjorative and what points. All you did was spin around crying "NO NO NO" because the you precious propaganda bubble was pricked.

    Quit building strawman - I never claimed that the Syrian Civil war spread into Iraq. What did happen was ISIS, after establishing a caliphate in Syria then went into Iraq in 2014. This is what necessitated the "moderate rebel lie" as Obama was supporting ISIS in Syria but fighting them in Iraq.

    ISIS in Iraq was decimated after the surge. The resurgence of ISIS happened in Syria as thousands of Islamist Extremists (Salafist, Muslim Brotherhood along with foreign fighters and other extremist groups such as the Islamic front) joined to create the modern incarnation of ISIS.

    As I said ... I have not even started decimating your delusion.

    The Vice President contradicted Obama's "Moderate Rebel Lie"
    The DIA contradicted this false narrative
    Numerous in Congress on both side of the aisle have stated directly that Obama was supporting Islamist Extremists.
    The of course you have a myriad of Journalists who have been to the region and various news sources ... including the NYT prior to Obama's false narrative claim ... then of course promptly forgetting their own reporting.

    Those are all "US" sources .. wander outside of the propaganda a obviously there is much more ... such as Christian news sources ..concerned about Christians in Syria - the folks that Obama's proxy army was killing and the Catholic Archbishop of Syria.

    We are just getting started my friend. You can start here. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/

    You will go on some ad hom fallacy rant against the source ... attacking the messenger instead of refuting the message however no worries... although this source covers some of that mentioned above.

    I have a separate source for every single one of the above claims.

    Obama (in conjunction with Saud, Qatar and others) was responsible arming the Islamist Extremist opposition which led to the death of over 500,000 and counting, the refugee crisis which is spreading the plague of Islamist extremist ideology over other parts of the world and led to the rise of the modern incarnation of ISIS.
     
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    Still IN that Puerile Sex Divide thing - Eh Gatewood ?
    get yer testosterone level checked - Atta a BOY ! :)
    Oh and watch out for that Paranoia BUG -
    .................................... It's going around

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    And I guess you are all for the Trump/Russia collusion investigation but are completely OK with the phony dossier that came from the Russians.....
     
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    Let's see you back up these dubious and false claims.
     
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    The collection of documents known as "the dossier" did not come from Russia nor has any part of it been refuted, so it is not phony.
     
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    Trump fears the weapons of porn stars more than he fears Russian cyber and nuclear weapons.
     
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    What a joke ... the claims are backed up in the link given. Do you have reading comprehension issues ?

    Here is the first part of the link you managed not to read ... the bill Tulsi put forward had 9 other sponsors.

    The next part,

    And from the DIA
    Just getting started.
     
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    Refuted? LOL! It is unverified and therefore needs no refuting. Even Comey said it was salacious.
     
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