“Why the Hell Are We Standing Down?”

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  1. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    That's true.

    Trump understands the tabloid mentality. He knows how to mine it to his advantage, and he recognizes when others do too.

    Stormy Daniels will make more money off of being the girl Trump paid off, than she ever would have just making porn.

    And she'll milk it for all it's worth.

    After all, Trump paid her off, so all but the hardest core Trumpster will believe whatever she says about him. And she doesn't have to say much. All she has to do is strut onto the stage in the "Gentleman's Club" circuit and collect the checks.

    Of course, if interest dies down, she can go back on cable TV and get the ratings back up with some new "revealation" (which she can make up at liberty, after all, that''s what Trump does).

    Trump lives by tabloid television. It would be ironic if he died by it.
     
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    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    And no links.

    You do realize that Tulsi Gabbard took a meeting with Donald Trump when he was in transition at the Trump Tower. They share the same xenophobic world view.

    She has also gone to Syria the meet with Bashir Assad. She supports Trump's Russian appeasement policy in Syria, and is not troubled by barrel bombs or chemical weapons.

    The rest of your link does not support your claim the Obama armed ISIS at all, although it is quite likely, given the Saudi Arabia is dedicated to supporting Sunni Islam, in counter to the Tehran dominated Shia government the US installed in Tehran.

    I found this especially interesting.

    "The United States has instead subordinated that U.S. interest in counter-terrorism to the interests of its Sunni allies. . "

    This is a particularly ironic quote, especially since this is exactly what Trump is doing now.
     
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    You mean like "Hope and Change!" and "Fundamentally Change America!" and "If you like your current health care plan and M.D. then you can keep them, period?" Yep . . . yep . . . quite deliberate Big Lies, one and all.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Like Levin said { almost insisted } This is Huge.Truly Breaking
    News.That it was little Susan Rice whose office was just
    down the floor from Obama who In Fact,ordered a " Stand Down "
    on efforts to verify and stop any Russian Collusion before it
    escalates.
    Does this thoroughly Corrupted MSM give a Rat's ass.
    Of course not.They are on the side of totally covering-up for
    All Things Obama related.Which are almost all a negative.
    This is how Stalinism operates.We are actually witness to it.
    The manifest implementation of a Government 5th column
    in league with driven tainted agencies and a compliant Press
    that does the work of arch-villains.Using tools like Rules for
    Radicals,Groupthink and Doublespeak plus the notorious Gaslighting,
    the vast Public are being treated to a cartoon version of America.
    Where Projection rules the day.By transference of badness from
    the truly guilty { Democrats,Obama and Hillary } onto the totally Innocent like
    Republicans and President Trump.
    It was used to great effect on disgraced and forced to retire
    John Boehner.They so discombobulated his ability to lead and
    Do the Right thing,by all the techniques I mentioned,he was left
    as if without any clothes on.Sort of what Obama operatives did to
    Herman Cain.Used a form of Stalinism.
    But President Trump is not a John Boehner.He's a true fighter
    who does not easily cotton being treated like pond scum.
     
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  5. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    You clearly don't understand the concept of the big lie.

    The idea is that you can promote yourself to an audience by saying, and continually repeating something that is totally and outrageously false, something your audience knows is false, but is what they want to hear.

    The more you tell the lie, the louder the audience cheers.

    You SHOULD be very familiar with it. You're the one of the ones who cheers loudest for the lies.
     
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    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    Nothing like watching Trumpster talk out of the other sides of their mouths.

    When reports first publicly surfaced about Russian interference, all you Trumpsters denied it for months.

    Trump is still denying it and making sure that our intelligence agencies are doing nothing.

    Now that you can't deny it anymore, you try and blame Obama, although you surely would have yelled the opposite if Obama had publicly attacked the Russians.

    We know this, because when Obama finally did it, you all yelled and attacked Obama.

    Hypocrites!
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I Take it your premise or theory is
    Trump = Goebbels.
    Yes,both men had a passion for speaking directly and forthrightly to
    their flock.But Goebbels was a little liar.A Deceiver.
    A megalomaniac to the nth degree.The biggest Jew-hater on the
    planet.
    " The party was our home during the struggle for power,thus
    we are obligated to it. "
    Makes little sense.The Party is more crucial that the German people.?
    When the Nazis rose to power,the German people were treated as if
    in an Old Folks home.They had restriction as to movement and had
    to legally carry their papers.Once one understand how Hitler stole
    the vote and catapulted hisself into the role of Chancellor then
    The Party not the People was to blame.Hitler connived and framed
    the leading party in Germany at the time.The Berlin Communists.
    They had their vote stolen,where lied about in the media and eventually
    rounded up and murdered.
    " We have helped ourselves,creating real things and not
    Illusions." -- Goebbels.
    Yeah like real torture,real murder and thuggery and ta hell with
    what the German people thought or wanted.The average german wanted
    only to flee Hitler's Nazi Germany.But they couldn't.
    It cost vast sums of money to get out of Hitler's Germany.
    Some families pooled their funds together so that maybe one
    or two members could leave Germany.
    Americans are not Fleeing America under President Trump.
    Yes,many Illegals are.But the loudmouth Hollywood elites
    like Barbara Steisand and Samuel L. Jackson are about as
    accurate in their propaganda campaign to leave America if
    Trump makes President as Goebbels was about his Germany.
     
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  8. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    "
    But Goebbels was a little liar.A Deceiver.
    A megalomaniac to the nth degree."

    Well, that's what Trump is. Don't even try and deny that! The man makes everything up, and reality to him, is what it is at the moment. He's forgotten about it five minutes laters.

    I have no idea what the business about Barbera Streisand and Samuel L Jackson has to do with anything.

    Incoherent jibberish.
     
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    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Doesn't matter that we denied it, it matters that Obama denied it, knew about it and went out for a smoke.
     
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    Putin says he had nothing to do with any intervention. The CIA says he did. And why should I believe anything from the CIA? It's not like the CIA is a reputable source for any information I've ever heard of.
     
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    Sorry, but Trump is not a Socialist. Women gravitate towards Socialism based on a false feeling of security.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, how the Hilary Butt-Hurt brigade are writhing in the agony of their own imagination. She lost! Get over it already!
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What do you mean "No Link" ? I gave you the link already. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/ There is also links within that link that supports what is claimed. I have a ton of others but first you need to comprehend this link.


    So your response is "Ad Hom" Tulsi is xenophobic like Trump ?

    The sum total of your response is then that Tulsi - member of the armed services and foreign affairs committee .. someone who actually went to Syria to see what was happening there for herself .... is Lying.

    And the 9 other in congress that supported the bill are also lying.

    So Tulsi put forward a bill " that would prohibit any U.S. assistance to terrorist organizations in Syria as well as to any organization working directly with them. Equally important, it would prohibit U.S. military sales and other forms of military cooperation with other countries that provide arms or financing to those terrorists and their collaborators". because this "wasn't" happening in Syria -is this what you are saying?

    So you are saying that Tulsi and the other 9 in congress who sponsored this bill are lying when they claim that in fact we were arming and supporting terrorist groups directly and indirectly through our buddy Saud and others?

    Further do you also want to say that Obama rescinded the bill (created after 911) forbidding US assistance to terrorists because he did not want to assist terrorists ?

    The Islamic State (IS) - ISIL did not yet exist in the initial years of the war. The Islamic State was declared in late 2013. What the link states is the radical Islamist Extremists who went on to form the IS were armed and supported - which is exactly what happened.

    So you agree however that Al Qaeda/Al Nusra was being armed and supported.

    This is the author trying to apologize for the actions of the Establishment. The Establishment has economic and strategic interests in the region which take president ... and the ends justify the means. I am not interested in the "editorial" parts of the link.
    What I am interested in is the facts.

    Trump is part of the Establishment so of course he is sucking up to El Saud - cradle of the extremist Islamist ideology and the true #1 supporter of terrorism - as opposed to Iran (which gets us to another false narrative/lie).

    Taliban, Al Qaeda/Al Nusra, ISIS, Al Shabaab, Boko Haram and a host of other groups of the same ilk all over the planet "ALL" share the same Saudi inspired extremist Islamist (Salafi) ideology. Saud has been exporting this ideology for decades and supporting (and sometimes arming) these groups.

    So no ... it i no surprise that El Saud was involved - as they were when we armed the Taliban (although that was different and in a different time). The surprise is that "WE" were also involved in arming Al Qaeda and others of the same ilk that went on to form the caliphate (IS).

    This is exactly what the DIA document talks about arms being shipped from benghazi to Syria. Another DIA document (let me know of you would like the link) talks about how in early 2012 they knew that the rebel opposition was and extremist Islamist movement ( not sure if you know what the term "Islamist" means. It means people who want strict sharia/theocracy as the law of the land political system - this is what the opposition rebels were fighting for .. this was the "call to Jihad").

    Here is an article in which Obama authorizes "secret" support for the extremist jihadists.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...pport-for-syrian-rebels-idUSBRE8701OK20120802

    There were other hardline Islamic Jihadists such as the Islamic Front (which was part of the so called moderate "FSA" along with Al Nusra an later ISIS).

    Regardless - WTF were we doing arming Al Qaeda ?

    Let me know if you want the DIA link where they state essentially "there is no moderate opposition".

    Biden says exactly this (contradicting Obama's "moderate rebel lie")

    Biden then goes on to try and pin the blame on the Saudis and others


    The fact of the matter is that we were knee deep in with the Saudi's - as is shown above - but regardless ... there was no "moderate middle".

    The moderates were the people fighting for Assad. That is who the moderates are.

    https://www.newstarget.com/2017-03-...yria-that-murder-rape-innocent-civilians.html

    Quite a statement ... your xenophobia claim is nonsense. Why would xenophobia lead Gabbard to say what she says.

    Gabbard however is far from alone.

    Rand Paul on CNN's Sunday morning program "State of the Union"

    .

    http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...-my-son-into-that-mess-on-the-crisis-in-iraq/


    How about Senator Richard Black from Virginia who also went personally to Syria.
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/virgi...ad-for-saving-the-lives-of-christians/5384338



    Do read the whole letter.

    So what is going on here Tom ? We have Vice President Biden the DIA saying there were no moderate rebels. Not that it matters because any moderates that might have been are fighting for and alongside the extremists.

    We have DIA, Tulsi - with 9 other members of Congress, Senator Black, Rand Paul stating directly that we were arming and/or supporting terrorists (Al Qaeda, ISIS and so on)

    So what Tom. Are all these institutions and people lying ?

    But wait .. Obama himself claimed he was covertly arming the "rebels" ... ok, Obama's own sources (DIA) were telling him there essentially were no moderates and that the rebel opposition was extremist Jihadists such as Al Qaeda and others of the same ilk.

    Never mind that however. What about the "FACT" that moderates in Syria are the one's fighting for Assad ?

    Question 1. Why are we violating international law and fighting against the moderates (people who are fighting to keep their individual liberties .. people who do not want strict sharia theocracy) and no the side of the Islamst extremists who hate individual liberty (Secularism) and want to force their religious beliefs on others through physical violence ... people who hate Christians and Jews and were killing and raping Christians and telling them to leave the country ?

    Riddle me that one Tom.

    Question 2. Why, when people such as Paul on CNN ... and numerous others, have stated "Directly" we are arming and supporting Al Qaeda ... has the mainstream media remained utterly silent ?

    Is the fact that we are arming Al Qaeda not news ? Or is Trump with a porn star so important that they forgot ? Every network, newspaper should have had the headline " Paul accuses Gov't of arming and supporting 911 terrorists".

    If Paul was lying they should have been dragging him over the coals (along with Gabbard, Black, the DIA and the numerous others in congress) ... this is not what happened.

    Utter silence.

    Keep in mind .. although I have given you a few more links in this post ... I am still just getting started.
     
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    Nothing in the Muellar information has pointed to the Russian Government. What has the CIA released implicating the Russian government?
     
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    Really? It was Obama that kicked the Russians out of three of their safe houses and toughened sanctions.

    It was Trump that tried to give them back, and wouldn't impliment the Obama sanctions even after Congress shoved them down his throat with a veto proof vote.

    If you're going to spend the next three years ranting about Hillary Clinton and Obama, which is exactly what I think you Trumpsters are going to do, it's going to get really boring around here.

    You guys could stand to get some new material.
     
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    And Putin is? Really?
     
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    What an idiotic claim!!!!!

    Mueller indicts 13 Russians for running one of several troll farms established to specifically influence a US Presidential election and you sit there with a straight face and claim "Nothing in the Muellar information has pointed to the Russian Government."

    The absurdity is mind boggling.
     
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    Utter silence because I went to work. Sorry for the inconvenience.

    The legislation you're taking about was a piece of the right wing noise assertion that Obama was willfully arming terrorists, which has no real basis in fact.

    Odd that you cite politicians with no particular foreign policy portfolio, or ones sympathetic with the Assad regieme.

    Of course, your attempt to rationalize the fact that Trump is appeasing Assad was pretty feeble, but you don't have much to work with there.

    At this point, the US has no real policy toward opposing Assad or his Russian state sponsors.

    Oh, and what is a State Senator for Loudon County doing, dashing off to Syria to have a love in with Bashir Assad. Granted it's relatively easy to fly out of Dulles, but I can't think of any part of rushing off to Syria that a local politician needs to be involved in.
     
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    Not you silly :) I was talking about the media response.

    The legislation was bi-partisan meaning - there were 3 other sponsors of the Bill who were democrat which makes 4 when you include Tulsi.

    Your idea that 4 democrats were falsely accusing Obama of arming terrorists is preposterous nonsense. The fact of the matter - as per the evidence presented which you willfully ignore - is that Obama/Hillary were in fact willfully arming terrorists such as Al Qaeda/Al Nusra and the other Islamist Jihadists that made up the rebel opposition.

    Obama was arming the opposition rebels. The opposition rebels were Islamist Jihadists.

    Are you that bereft of logic that you can not figure out that if A=B and B=C then A=C

    I have presented overwhelming evidence for the fact that there was no "moderate" opposition of any significance in the rebel opposition. You are willfully ignoring this because it proves that Obama was willfully arming Islamist extremists (The sponsors of the bill go so far as to call them terrorists).

    You completely ignore the fact that it is the people fighting for Assad that are the "moderates".

    .

    This is utter nonsense ... I cited VP -Biden and the Defense Intelligence Agency ... this is getting pathetic and beyond desperate on your part.

    If all these politicians were lying as you suggest - why has the media remained silent ?

    Get your head out of the sandbox of denial. You are drunk on state propaganda koolaid to the point of religious zealotry.
     
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    I think it is easier for Democrats to believe in a Russian conspiracy theory versus accepting the fact that identity politics are garbage that no one wants multiculturalism is a failure and socialism is not preferred to capitalism.

    All these things have fallen out of favor. And they are Pinnacles of the Democrat platform. Rather than adjusting their viewpoints they instead to make up a conspiracy theory involving Russians.

    Nobody could possibly believe that Clinton wouldn't have been a better president than Trump so there must be some conspiracy that caused Trump to be elected.

    It's basically denial of reality and a delusion to justify it.
     
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    Well, you do get credit for doing much more research than the average Trumpster. But that, alas isn't saying much.

    BTW, what IS a State Senator from Loudon County doing rushing off to kiss Assad's behind?
     
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    What have you got? Show me what you've got and I'll listen. "Obama said"? "Clinton said"? "The CIA said"? You'll have to do better than that if you want to debate the issue.

    I'm waiting.
     
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    If you trust an ex KGB agent, it is you who has explaining to do. How about we start with his "we aren't in the Ukraine" lie? Seriously, though, how do you get to the point that you are skeptical of the CIA, but put blind trust in Russian intelligence?
     
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    I understand your point but let's be clear. First of all, there is no "blind trust" and I hope you are not going to continue with that sort of "with us or against us" attitude. If you are going to do that then there is no reason to try discussing the issue with you. Secondly, are you responsible for your ex-wife? No? Then whether Putin is an ex-KGB or an ex-rocket scientist is irrelevant. Thirdly, it is the US-backed military coup that is in the Ukraine. Russia's role is a strong one but it is not the cause of that situation. Putin has never stated that Russia is neutral there so I don't understand what "lie" you are referring to. Fourth, are you honestly saying that you do not know (understand) how I can be sceptical of the CIA? Do you have absolutely no idea what the CIA has been doing in the Middle East, Latin America, Asia and Africa? If nothing else, have you never heard of the non-existent WMD's in Irak? The CIA fake proof of them? The CIA fake telephone interception? The first CIA spy saturated inspection team sent there? The Col. Steele CIA death squads that operate in Irak?

    So ... I have just given you several FACT reasons not to trust the CIA. Let's see what you can say about Putin. Don't give me any "Clinton says" or "according to CIA sources".
     
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    The Russians hacked Hillary's server and Stzork covered it up. Obama was sending e-mails to that server using a fake e-mail address. You want to fathom how much dirt the Russians got on Obama from that server?
     
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