2022 general elections in Italy

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    2022 general elections in Italy


    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/24/italy-elections-the-electoral-campaing-is-over-whats-next


    The polling stations will soon open now .....
     
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    This Sunday morning the elections will begin.

    Some info:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Italian_general_election
     
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    Italy poised for right leader as country votes in snap election. “Brothers of Italy has chimed with sections of the public who are concerned about immigration (Italy is the destination for many migrant boats crossing the Mediterranean), the country’s relationship with the EU and the economy.”

    'The usual suspects call this opposition semi-fascist, of course, but then when don’t they?'

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    70 governments in 77 yrs. Probably not worth getting worked up over.
     
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    As Democracy Dies In The EU, Von Der Leyen Reveals Its Sins
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    ...don’t know what Europe will turn into over the next few months, but the one thing we can safely say is that it won’t be a triumph of ‘democracy'...

    Semi-Fascism: 'It’s no secret at this point that the EU is an anti-democratic organization. The leadership isn’t elected, but selected from a pre-determined pool of candidates from within the Party structure.'

    SELECTED NOT ELECTED ARE WHAT THE SEMI-FASCIST ROGUE AGENCIES THAT OPERATE AS BIDEN/DNC'S PERSONAL GESTAPO IN THE US ARE

    'All you hear from these Eurocrats is that we are in a “war of Democracy versus Autocracy,” as EU Commission President Ursula Von der Leyen put it in her hellish EU state of the union address to the European Parliament recently.'

    Cloaking herself in the inverse of the EU flag’s colors to show solidarity, Von der Leyen and her merry tribe of vandals in Brussels cast themselves as the protectors of the sacred right of a ‘democracy’ they deny to anyone who disagrees with her.'

    'European Values is a phrase that is synonymous with the phrase “rules-based order.” We make the rules, they say, and you abide by them. We’re allowed to break those rules because 1) we can and 2) we are the goodies.'

    'So, it shouldn’t be a surprise that as the Italians go to the polls this weekend with the center-right coalition led by the Brothers of Italy (FdI) likely to win a major, uncontestable victory, the unelected, openly totalitarian President of the European Commission, Ursula Von der Leyen, openly threaten Italians to ‘vote right’ or face her wrath.'

    'Seeing that threat issued towards inherently disagreeable Italians coming from a German bureaucrat will not go as she thinks it will. When you run out of the power to persuade people the only things left is threats (no matter how empty) and subterfuge. Now it’s down to open threats and ‘consequences.’'

    'The rough translation to all of these issues is “rules for me and not for thee,”'

    'It’s the mechanism by which to subvert our common bonds as people and replace them with the State.'

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    THAT'S WHY THESE FOLKS ALWAYS TRAFFIC IN DIVISION AND HATE.
     
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    BREAKING: Italy's PEOPLE win majority in parliament - exit poll

    Giorgia Meloni’s victory is a triumph for Italian democracy.

    'Meloni identifies as a conservative and takes inspiration from English conservatives such as Sir Roger Scruton and JRR Tolkien, as I discussed at length in my interview with her. At the right’s final rally of the election campaign in Rome’s Piazza del Popolo on Thursday the actor who introduced her on stage before her speech paraphrased what Aragorn told the men of the west before the Battle of Morannon at the Black Gate in the film version of Lord of the Rings: ‘The day of defeat may come but it is not this day! This day we fight!’'

    'Meloni unequivocally supports Nato’s arming of Ukraine. So might her coalition partners lure her away from this path given that more than half of Italians oppose sending arms to Ukraine? She told me that, in the coalition agreement she drew up with Salvini and Berlusconi at the start of the campaign she made support of Nato’s Ukraine arms programme a condition.'

    EU’s Semi-Fascist von der Leyen delivers dark veiled warning to Italy’s Electorate.
     
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    Italian Voters Tell Authoritarian "Progressives" To STUFF IT!

    Meloni's Right-Wing Alliance Wins Clear Majority In Italian Elections
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    The rolling populist tide against leftist policies just claimed its biggest European scalp yet.

    First Sweden, now Italy.

    'Europe's unelected authoritarian ruler, Semi-Fascist Ursula von der Leyen, is not going to be happy: according to early exit polls out of Italy's national election, the right-wing bloc of Giorgia Meloni - which the ultra-left wing press just can't stop comparing to Mussolini - is set for a historic, if largely expected, victory and a clear majority (if, however, not a super-majority) which will propel Meloni to the top of the Italian government as the country's next prime minister, ushering in a historic right-wing shift for a country that - like Sweden until two weeks ago - has traditionally been very left-wing.'

    'History is written! Despite Semi-Fascist Authoritarian Ursula von der Leyen's unworthy and dirty threats, Italians vote en masse for the far right. Giorgia Meloni first female premier in the history of Italy.'

    Semi-Fascist Authoritarian Ursula von der Leyen think's she's Liz Cheney!
     
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    Donald Trump: MAGA = Make America great again!
    Boris Johnson: MEGA = Make England great again!
    Giorgia Meloni: MIGA = Make Italy great again!

    Birds of one feather.
     
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    Perhaps before you make up more silly labels about powerful alliance working to protect the interests of half a billion people who quite like its structure and organisation INCLUDING THE NEW ITALIAN PM, you should explore the Europa pages on the Internet, specifically how democracy works in the EU.
    Then take a look at how the leader of the commission is elected.
    Objective facts are always welcome.
     
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    Re Italy, it isn't the first time a solidly right wing government has been in charge. But lke any other Italian government, not for long. She will win because she is in a coalition with two other right wing parties. Just wait for the first cabinet meeting in Screaming Italian.
    Elections in Italy are like referendums. They reflect a photograph of emotions, not an imprint of common sense.
    I quite like Italy and the Italians I have met.
    But they really should not get involved in politics. They should just live free and be happy.
     
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    You didn't comment on this semi-fascist clown darkly warning the Italian Electorate not to elect the 'wrong' people. Looks like the Italian Electorate told this German broad where she could stuff it. Do you think now she will "use her tools on them" like she threatened to?

    As for what I should do, it looks to me like The Free People of Italy are handling this fine. I remember your comment on how you thought Justice Thomas should be dealt with for reaching decisions you disagreed with, of course you support this semi-fascist that threatened the Free Italian People if they made a choice she didn't agree with.
     
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    RIGHT-WING COALITION WINS IN ITALY, AMERICAN PRESS LOSES ITS MIND:

    'Meloni does not, in fact, lead a “neo-fascist” movement. As far as I can tell, none of her proposed policies are fascist. They may make those on the left upset, especially regarding immigration and LGBT stuff, but that’s not the standard for fascism.'

    'Ironically enough, American Democrats base their accusations on the fact that Meloni’s party has its historical roots in turn-of-the-century fascism in Italy. Of course, the problem with that is obvious. The Democrat Party was the party of slavery and Jim Crow, and it remains a party of mass death in regard to abortion. So if the assertion is that a political party with a checkered history is unacceptable, then the Democrats might as well close up shop, otherwise, they are just massive hypocrites.'

    'They won’t, though, because they truly believe they are more enlightened than their political opponents. No one takes the left’s rantings seriously.'

    Fascist is what they call you if you don't eagerly embrace and repeat their semi-fascist narrative.
     
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    I was discussing the EU, not Italy.
    The only warning the EU might give is that same as to Hungary. Members signed an agreement which confirmed a docratic process and other issues. If the member does not comply the EU can withhold funds.
    Use like any other alliance/club
    Italy doesn't bother me. There will be a new government in a couple of years.
     
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    THIS IS ITALY'S DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. HER SEMI-FASCIST WARNING WAS AGAINST THE FREE ELECTORATE MAKING A CHOICE SHE DISAGREED WITH. I'm proud of the Free Italian People for telling her to stuff it right up her privileged gentry semi-fascist donkey!
     
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    I seriously do not know what you are talking about.
    Italy is not the only member that tilts to the right. Hungary and Poland move that way and there was a Berlusconi government that functioned well enough in the EU.
    Your assumption of angst is very exaggerated. The EU doesn't behave so emotionally , nor does it take things personally.
     
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    Scruton was a fairly well regarded conservative thinker, So how is it that Meloni is being described as a fascist in the American press? Did she say something fascist?
     
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    ISTM Americans love to use the word "fascist". Sometimes when they mean socialist or communist. It is a synonym for "bad man".

    I only ever use it when I am referring to John Wayne.
     
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    Well you're not wrong about establishment America, and as you can tell from this forum about every third post seems to be someone using the term fascist. Even our President calls his political enemies fascists. I'm just wondering why the American media is calling Meloni a fascist.
     
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    Perhaps it is the close ties with Berlusconi's party which has ties with the movement started by Mussolini.
    I some ways Italy is the birthplace of modern fascism in Mussolini. This woman carries a flag with a visual reference to his flag.
    Other than being hard on immigration, quite common in Europe, I don't know details of her programme. She has to work it out with her two coalition partners, also two from the famished right.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the whole government fell before they got to page three.
    I love Italy. They are utterly bonkers, preferring theatre extravaganza to anything remotely sensible, and where there is no such word as moderate.
    In honesty, there should be Mama Party where all the Italian Mamas get together and tell their bambinos to behave. They could rule the world!
     
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    Ah that's it, To the American establishment, any attempt to control immigration is fascism.
     
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    No. She's not at all. That's just the Left's term for anyone who doesn't immediately bend over for their Open Borders, Citizens Last, Authoritarian Narrative.
     
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    Giorgia Meloni nailed it when she said she and the Brothers of Italy defend 'God, country, and family', those things that disgust the left. That message resonated with the newly discovered national populist sentiment of the voters. Too bad EU, suck it up.
     
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    Italy has been inseminated with right wing doctrine since WW2 and recently the Liga Nord , active right wing governments plus:

    "In the 2018 general election three groupings obtained most of the votes and most of the seats in the two houses of the Italian Parliament: a centre-right coalition, composed of Lega, Forza Italia, Brothers of Italy and minor allies; the anti-establishment Five Star Movement; a centre-left coalition, composed of the Democratic Party and minor allies."
    WIKI

    Right wing politics is common in Italy. Yet none of them want to leave the EU and are active supportive members.
     
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    Meloni's victory is part of a global reaction against the corruption and depravity of leftist culture in western countries. It will end in destruction of that leftist culture and a return to traditional values. There will be violence, our arrogant elite leave us no choice.
     
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    Please convince me that you know anything about Italian politics.
    Then you can start to substantiate your grandiose dreams of ideological victory over the freedoms you say you support.
    By traditional values I take it you mean the little woman at home, 2.4 children in an endless marriage, white is right and homosexuality is a perversion.
    I am sorry to tell you that flew out the window 50 years ago when people actually started to exercise their human rights.
    Am I to take it you object to those too?
    Italian right government has happened more than once. It will happen again. Nothing changes.
     
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