50 Things That People Should Know About Adolf Hitler and National Socialism

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  1. RUS

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    There is no analogy to example Mein Kampf.
    In your example, the truth is known only to a few people.
    (*)Mein Kampf was published 10,000,000 + in English, in French, in Russian (500,000) and India.
    Your example is not valid.
     
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    [MENTION=7292]@Jazz[/MENTION]

    I know a guy who discovered the book in his father's attic and read it. In Germany, it is almost a proverb to say "to find Mein Kampf in the attic". Admittedly, many of the discoverers did not read it because they were not interested and/or had difficulty to read the Gothic script. But since 1941 the book was printed in Antiqua.
     
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    Neo-Nazis would notice.:clapping:

    [video=youtube;UOK-HOCp0So]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOK-HOCp0So[/video]

    I think that the whole book Mein Kampf was written only for it.

    Everything else is only a side dish.
     
  4. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hi, and WELCOME, NewGuest!

    You are the man/woman we have been waiting for!!:wink:
    Where is the book from the attic now? Do you have access to it? We need a guaranteed original copy so we can compare it with what RUS is offering us.

    The issue is, did Hitler in 1923/24 write he was going to eventually invade Russia for the sole purpose of obtaining more "Lebensraum" for his people or not. RUS keeps waving Mein Kampf under our noses as proof Hitler planned the invasion already while he was sitting in jail in 1923.

    Can you help us settle this dispute?

    Will be much obliged for any assistance.:smile:
     
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    Here is an original quote about Russia:

    Man muss sich damit kuehl und nuechtern auf den Standpunkt stellen, dass es sicher nicht Absicht des Himmels sein kann, dem einen Volke fuenfzigmal so viel an Grund und Boden auf dieser Welt zu geben als dem anderen.

    Translated: "We must, therefore, coolly and objectively adopt the standpoint that it can certainly not be the intention of Heaven :oldman: to give one people fifty times as much land and soil in this world as another."
     
  6. Jazz

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    O.k., that\s great! We need not argue any further on that point. But...

    ...with that knowledge, what is your opinion on the reason for Hitler's attack of Russia in June 1941?

    I believe the attack was the direct result of Hitler finding out his ally, Stalin, was preparing to attack him.
    In order to stand a chance of surviving that attack, Hitler invaded Russia first on June 22nd, 1941.

    This had, in my opinion, nothing to do with trying to gain land for his Volk, but everything with wanting to survive.
    Therefore I reject the notion that Germany attacked Russia to gain land or living space.
     
  7. Jazz

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    Haha... never heard that.
    Stupid Germans now hauling millions of all sorts of "refugees" onto their little lily pad!!! :roll:
     
  8. Jazz

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    O.k., RUS, you win! Our NewGuest has confirmed your quote is genuine!

    Next: Are you still insisting Hitler attacked your country in 1941 solely for the sake of taking land from you?
     
  9. RUS

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    It is not me. The facts and the logic wins.[​IMG]
     
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    and I add more.... if in Mein Kampf the plan capture Russia wasn't , it is wouldn't clear why Britain gave Hitler Chekhov and Poland.
     
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    Yes.

    Includes logic and look at the facts again.
    June 22, 1941.
    What has changed from 1926?
    For Hitler, nothing has changed. Russia has become stronger, but Germany has become super strong. Hitler still considers Russia a weak opponent. ( "The colossus with feet of clay")
    In the Third Reich created comfortable conditions for life. Hence the population will grow rapidly. Therefore what? Therefore the Germans need to increase their living space.As it was mentioned in Mein Kampf.
    Did Stalin want to attack Third Reich in 1941, or didn't - it does not matter.
    “Barbarossa” plan started to be developed July 22, 1940.


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    Oh my. You mean hitler really was a racist murdering scumbag?

     
  13. Jazz

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    O.k., I also add one more...

    "It was determined that Warburg who spoke German should travel to Germany and ask Hitler how much money he needed to overthrow the state. The only stipulation was that Hitler adopts "an aggressive foreign policy."

    "Warburg" details five meetings with Hitler between 1929 and 1933. The first took place in a beer cellar and Hitler calculated his needs on the back of a paper plate. About $25 million was transferred. This was extremely important in the depth of the depression because the Nazis provided food and shelter to many of their supporters."

    http://www.savethemales.ca/000369.html
     
  14. RUS

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    O.k., I also add one more...[​IMG]


    Hitler adopted this Warburg's "The only stipulation" before he meeting with Warburg. :)
    Hitler said about these in Mein Kampf.

    Warburg met Hitler for precisely this reason.
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    As of now 292.723 have seen this video...

    September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M


    ...so I wouldn't say the truth is only known by a few people.


    Anyway, you're missing my point. Noam Chomsky is no moron so he knows that 9/11 was an inside job but he's not saying that. He clearly doesn't even believe what he's saying. I'd say that they got to him.

    The point I'm making here is that if Mein Kampf has indeed been manipulated, famous people and people who run websites who know about it can be intimidated into keeping quiet and the media can ignore the little people who know about it.

    You make some good points and I won't be surprised if it turns out that it hasn't been manipulated. I'm just saying that you've fallen short of conclusively proving that it hasn't been manipulated but you have the attitude that you've proven it conclusively. Before you do the victory dance, you have to actually win.
     
  16. RUS

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    292.723 people watched only this video.
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    This is the same as the:
    A bunch of people looked at this site.

    http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch14.html

    You do not have arguments to talk about "manipulated "Mein Kampf still.

    In my opinion you have conflict in your speech.
    1) the "people who run websites" do not interfere with the sites where deny the Holocaust.
    2) but the "people who run websites" interfere sites where Hitler’s fans and historians want to tell the truth about Mein Kampf.

    Why is this happening? (In Mein Kampf does not call to kill Jews and Slavs.)

    Could you explain these?
     
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    I think Hitler attacked Russia for two reasons:

    1. The war was a war between two competing ideologies for Hitler. He learned to hate the communists between 1918 and 1920 in Munich, and in that time, he also began to link Jews with communism. He believed that the Bolshevist revolution was led by Jews.

    I don't deny that the war had a denfensive character and that Hitler had the "idea to save the peoples of Europe from Bolshevism", like Doenitz said.

    2. He wanted to conquer new territory.

    Interestingly, the "Ostfeldzug" started on 22 June 1941, Napoleon's Russian Campaign started on 24 June 1812. The Wehrmacht began to weaken in December 1941, the Grand Armée was defeated in December 1812.

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    Both statements are true. BUT... one doesn't start a war IF one can't win that war. Hitler did not want war, for sure not a big war. Attacking the Russian empire was very risky and the only reason he dared to attack her was, that he had gotten knowledge from his spies who told him Stalin was getting ready to attack! The truth of that the German army found out as soon as they crossed the border. That is precisely why the Wehrmacht could make such quick progress... Stalin was not set for defense, his troops weren't dug in and waiting.
    Exactly! That has to this day been brainwashed into our heads by the Allies! Always Germany's guilt!!
    I have some quotes from the German Generals at the Nuremberg Trial:
    Read more here:
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n3p40_Michaels.html
     
  19. RUS

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    ..Could you tell me ( and yourself ) , when the spies told him, Stalin was getting ready to attack?

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    Do you know the names of the spies?

    Do you believe that Martin Bormann was a Soviet spy?
     
  22. Jazz

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    No, I don't know names. They were pilots in German spy planes and they flew over parts of Russia and therefore they saw that Stalin was amassing troops and equipment at the border.
    No. He committed suicide in Berlin shortly after Hitler. Why would he kill himself just as his friends came to free him? He had nothing to fear.
    At least that's how I see it.
     
  23. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    All of the things you give Hitler credit for doing were financed with the money and goods he stole from Jews, Gays, Gypsies and anyone else he exiled or arrested. Even then by 1939 he had bankrupted the country and had to start invading others. It's easy to do all kinds of great things when you're basically looting a large section of your own people to do it.
     
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    June 22, 1940, when "Operation Barbarossa" plan was begin developed, pilots in German spy planes could not see anything special at the border.
    Stalin has not yet pulled together troops to the border June 22, 1940.
     
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    What's your source?

    There are sources that say that the Germans did indeed see a military buildup at the border.
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hitler+Saved+Europe+From+Stalin&sm=12
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Who+Started+World+War+II?+by+Viktor+Suvorov&sm=12
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p108_Schoeman.html
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n4p30_Michaels.html
     
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