9/11 World Trade Center Totally fake! But you still believe it!

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  1. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Next on the list of things Koko can't do is read. Everyone knows that there was a boom in the first nuclear reactions observed? Go back and read what he wrote again.

    Mushroom wasn't talking about the collapse of the WTC. He was talking about the first observations of radioactive decay. Specifically he was referencing Rutherford and Soddy's transmutation of nitrogen into oxygen using alpha particles. He was talking about the beginning of our understanding of nuclear fission.

    What are YOU talking about again?

    Oh yeah, that's right, "nuclear reactions" that can vaporize steel but that don't involve fission, fusion, or explosions.

    This is just yet more proof that truthers just make stuff up as they go along.
     
  2. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    nope that is not what I was talking about.



    steel to DUST!


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    Steel to DUST brought to by deMOBcracy-r-US
     
  3. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's not easy to lie when your words are here for everyone to read.

    LonestrSt8 posted:

    To which you responded:

    You just equated all 4 terms "vaporized, dustified, atomized, and aerosolized," You think they all mean the same thing.


    Koko just got caught in another lie. Man, you're striking out all over the place.
     
  4. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    I explained that ad nauseum. nothing here to see....
     
  5. Shangrila

    Shangrila staff Past Donor

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    Does that mean the family and friends of all who died are in on it too?
     
  6. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All you have are phrases that you regurgitate in the hopes that people will be confused into thinking you know what you're talking about.

    I did not move any goal posts.
    I did not create any straw men.

    I answered your lame questions and you could not answer for the obvious flaws in your own statements. In doing so I've proven my level of knowledge on the subject to be superior to yours so your repeated attempts to attack my level of education only denigrate your own intelligence.
     
  7. Mushroom

    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    *A warm handclap for understanding exactly what I was saying*

    And it is rather obvious that at least 2 of us here understand much more about nuclear reactions then a certain troll will ever know.

    Not all nuclear reactions are destructive. In fact, most are rather benign. And it happens all the time, both fission and fusion. It happens in nature fairly often, and is detectable in natural U-238 by the tracks it leaves in the crystals.

    However, all nuclear reactions tend to leave behind some kind of radioactive particle. Alpha Particles, Gamma Particles, some form of radioactivity.

    And I am still waiting for the evidence of such a radioactive plume on 9/11.
     
  8. Mushroom

    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    You are aware of what the central core of the WTC was made out of, don't you? And what covered the floor of every single story in the complex, right?

    Concrete.

    What you are seeing is a plume of concrete dust, that rose as each collapsing floor caused the concrete on the floor underneath to become pulverised.

    And no, atomic explosions don't cause steel to turn into dust either. Nor does it cause concrete to turn into dust.

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    Other then being more powerful and having radioactivity, it is just like any other bomb. It destroys by heat and blast, nothing else. Nothing in the local environment has nuclear or atomic reactions to the explosion, that process is pretty much done before the bomb casing itself is blasted outwards. And long before the blast wave even touches the ground.

    Research, research, research. You obviously have done none.
     
  9. Mushroom

    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    You are aware of what makes up most of a steel building, don't you?

    Here is a clue, the WTC had even more of this then a conventional steel building. This is because of the way it was constructed. And is vastly different then earlier steel buildings, like the Empire State Building.

    That secret material that makes up most of the volume of a steel building is...

    Air.

    That's right. Just look at the construction of any building, especially the WTC. Most of it is air. And what "structure" there is has roughly the volume of a spider web.

    This is why we often turn on the news and see pictures of cars that have driven completely into buildings. And cars have metal frames, but bullets have no problem going right through the things.

    The construction of the WTC was unlike any other building. Conventional skyscrapers rely on a steel skeleton to hold it all up, and historically had stone, concrete, and/or bricks to clad it's exterior. This skeleton runs through the entire building, and is as strong on the outer surface as it is in the core.

    In the WTC, the skeleton was basically a tube of steel reinforced concrete in the core, with lighter supports on the outer walls. In fact, the outer support really did nothing but hold the exterior wall in place. The structure was supported form the inside, not the outside.

    However, here is something else to consider for those that have some common sense.

    A few months ago at the Paris Air SHow, a Korean Air Airbus A380 struck a building with it's wing tip while taxing on the side of the runway. It was going around 10 MPH when it struck the corner of the structure.

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    Now this plane was on the ground, going no faster then most people can run. And it struck with just the wing tip, one of the weakest parts of the airplane. Yet it still cut into the building about 10 meters.

    Now imagine what a fully loaded Boeing 767 traveling at 466 miles per hour would do to a similar building.
     
  10. Mushroom

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    The entire world is in on the conspiracy. And it really is a conspiracy.

    Our goal is to drive every Truther insane. Nothing happened, but we sit back and laugh as they try to figure out how nothing happened.

    Of course, the biggest trick is in faking all of those people who never died. They never died, because they were never alive.

    Which was a really difficult thing to do. Can you believe that there are people that still think that Barbara Olson was a real person? In fact, Bill Maher was in on it also, since he frequently had the fictional "Barbara Olson" on his show as a guest.

    And Berinthia Perkins was not a real person either. Anthony Perkins just thought he had married her. And all of her movie appearances going back to 1978 were fake also.
     
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    I am not going to correct all your mistakes as virtually everything you said is wrong but 2 things stand out like such a sore thumb the post has me wondering.

    First air is not part of the structure, and next if they did not use cheap plasitc siding they would have have that problem.

    If you want to correct the rest and repost be my guest.
     
  12. Mushroom

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    Oh, how silly of me!

    I forgot, buildings are solid structures, like a brick. There is absolutely no air in them. That is part of the conspiracy I was supposed to keep quiet about.

    And you are right, the WTC was covered in glass. And everybody knows that is the strongest thing ever made. You can never break glass.

    Still waiting to hear about where the radiation went to.
     
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    once again he says a poster is wrong,but fails to illustrate HOW he's wrong...
     
  14. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The central core of the WTC towers was 100% steel framed. Core box columns were not encased in concrete.
     
  15. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    nothing worse than an airplane crashing into air!

    ever see a plane that crashed into air?

    Really a mess!
     
  16. LoneStrSt8

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    Nothing sadder than somone intentionally acting like a dumb***,or is it acting?
     
  17. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    yeh well what can I say?

    Using air as part of the structure of a building was not the brightest thing anyone has done lol
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Considering humans have to breathe air,sounds like a good idea
     
  19. Mushroom

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    The design was a "tube in a tube" construction where the steel reinforced, cast concrete interior tube, was surrounded with a structural steel framework configured as another tube with the load bearing capacity bias towards the perimeter wall with the core acting to reduce deformation of the steel structure maximizing its load bearing capacity.

    http://911review.org/WTC/concrete-core.html

    In fact, here is a photo of the WTC during construction.

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    And what is that rising above the rest of the structure? Why, it is the center concrete core.
     
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    I never said it was part of the supporting structure.

    However, measured by volume, there was more air in there then anything else.
     
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    Do the persons who survived from inside the building, do they say that it was totally fake or have they been bought off?
     
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    the concrete center core is the elevator and emergency stair well,which was damaged and let jet fuel spill down this shaft which made the fire spread faster..40 years ago structural engineering and and and concrete was nothing like the quality we have now..this building would never have been built in the last 20 years with its flaws.. take the new harmon hotel in las vegas for example..just built but it has many flaws discovered after its completion and it is getting ready to be destroyed before it ever opened..we would never have done that before..
     
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    The problem with the Harmon Hotel was not in design, but in construction. The primary company involved (Pacific Coast Steel) did not follow the plans and blueprints when it came to the construction of the building.

    First they planned on reducing the height of the building from 49 to 28 floors. Then it was decided to just destroy it instead.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/us/11vegas.html
     
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    Cute misrepresentation. There were 47 VERTICAL (that's up and down, north and south) STEEL COLUMNS that would have opposed the "collapse" and would have punched through the "collapse" like railroad spikes through drywall. The HONEST assessment pertaining to the CONTROLLED DEMOLITION event we all witnessed is here:http://www.physics911.net/stevenjones

    The "round tubes" you refer to are pure fantasy, drawn up on a shill's blackboard for the consumption of stupid people. There was NOTHING that looked like your "artists renditon" of the "tubular" misrepresentation.

    47 VERTICAL COLUMNS. Where did they go? Did they melt? Did they break up into tiny little pieces and hide under the dust? Maybe there were invisible hammers smashing them down for the 10 or so seconds of the "collapse", OR..........MAYBE...........THEY WERE HELPED TO DISAPPEAR, with the aid of NanoThermate.

    WHERE DID THEY GO???
     
  25. Mushroom

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    This is exactly what we keep talking about.

    So which is it, it is a complete fabrication, or is it a misrepresentation? Because you can't have it both ways.

    And there are tens of thousands of photographs taken during construction. Heck, there are even reports from survivors that had a hard time getting out because walls were collapsed, and they could not get through the concrete inner walls.

    Are all the photographs taken during construction fakes? And how did they fool the millions of people who watched it being constructed (much less the thousands involved in it's construction).

    So exactly how far back does this conspiracy go? All the way back to 1966 during the Johnson Administration when construction started?
     

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