98% Of Fully Vaccinated Test Positive For Covid

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  1. independentthinker

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    Two jabs didn't work, so let's try a THIRD one... and a FOURTH one... and a FIFTH one... and a SIXTH one...
    :deadhorse:

    Oh, and let's mandate that EVERYBODY get this "safe and effective" never-ending series of shots.

    Let's Go Brandon!
     
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    MSM does its best to suppress this information, but the cat is out of the bag.

    More of a population injected with the clot shots leads to more infections.
     
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    That's only a partial survey. Take it a little further. What percent of that 98% died? What percent of that 98% had to be hospitalized. What percent of the deaths were unvaxxed? You can't slice and dice and be honest at the same time.
     
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    The point is that the vaccinated spread the virus. Therefore, vaccine mandates are not necessary and vaccine passports are unnecessary and firing unvaccinated people from their jobs is not necessary because the vaccinated also spread the virus. That's the point. The left are denying science to further their agenda.
     
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    Pfizer, JJ et al claimed that their vaccination worked at over 90% efficacy. Explain how, given that, folks could still test positive. And FYI, these are the statistics the bureaucrats like Fauci are using to insist on more lockdowns and mask mandates.
     
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    Pretty sure that's in reference to the nursing home in Canaan, Connecticut. 67 residents and 22 staff got covid. 8 residents died. All staff and residents were vaccinated.
     
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    If the virus doesn't have the potential to kill (as it is with the vaccinated), the virus no longer has a strangle hold on the world. That's the point.
     
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    I do believe the vaccine works. I slept right next to and kissed my COVID positive wife and I never got it. However there is scientific study that backs up the notion that the vaccine loses its effectiveness after so long which is why they are pushing booster shots.

    However, I don’t believe any of my comment justifies forcing the vaccine on anyone who may not want it. I’m a firm believer in freedom of choice in your vaccinations.
     
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    Both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated spread the virus. Therefore, the unvaccinated do not spread the virus any more than the vaccinated do. In fact, since the majority of people are vaccinated, the vaccinated are actually spreading the virus more than the unvaccinated are. The unvaccinated are no more of a threat to others as the vaccinated are. Therefore, there is no point to forcing the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. They have a choice to either risk the vaccine or risk the virus and, as I said, the unvaccinated are no more of a threat to others than the vaccinated are. There is no need to force the unvaccinated to get vaccinated because they are no more of a threat to others than the vaccinated are. People have the right to choose since their decision only effects them and no one else.
     
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    At no point did I suggest that people have no right to choose. And my point was that while both can spread the virus, the vaccinated have far less risk of getting dramatically ill/hospitalized/die. As long as we have a virus that kills, we have a problem. If all were vaccinated, the spread would not be as threatening to our healthcare system or individuals infected.
     
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    . . . in one nursing home. One. Nursing. Home. To pretend this is representative of the populace would involve 1) lying or 2) willing ignorance.
     
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    And if you have so many people vaccinated, of course most of the cases are going to be from vaccinated people. What you have to do is compare the number of people vaccinated to the number of people vaccinated in hospitals. Likewise do the same for unvaccinated hospitalized to the unvaccinated population as a whole. Otherwise you're basically just talking about raw numbers, when you need ratios.
     
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    Both albinos and non-albino people have committed crimes. Therefore, non-albinos do not commit crimes any more than albinos do.

    Both women and men commit murder. Therefore, men do not commit murder any more often than women do.

    Please tell me you understand how stupid this argument is. Would it kill you to think this stuff over before posting?
     
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    Except there is no evidence of that. At all. Anti-vaxxers are just taking advantage of gullible people who either don't understand basic math or who aren't willing to read past a headline to spread more of their dangerous misinformation.
     
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    I actually agree with that.

    BUT

    I am extremely pissed at the left for discriminating against the unvaccinated for basically no reason since the vaccinated spread the virus just as much as the unvaccinated do. Because of that, and because vaccines do kill people and have adverse reactions in some, people should have the choice as to whether they want to risk the virus or the vaccine. There should be no vaccine mandates, there should be no vaccine passports to enter places, and no one should get fired from their jobs for refusing to be vaccinated. Because the vaccines do not stop the spread of the virus. I just can't get the left to admit to this. Your choice to not get vaccinated does not in any way make you a greater risk to the public because the vaccinated also spread the virus. I want the left to admit this and they refuse.
     
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    Umm, can you get some sleep and repost tomorrow when you don't have such a headache? Since vaccinated people spread the virus just as much as the unvaccinated do, then there is no need to discriminate against unvaccinated people. There should be no mandates, no vaccine passports to enter places, and no one should get fired from their jobs because vaccinated people spread the virus just as much as the unvaccinated do. In fact, since there are more vaccinated people than unvaccinated, the vaccinated actually spread the virus more than the unvaccinated do.
     
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    Both of them spread =/= They spread it just as much. They don't spread it just as much. Maybe get some sleep after thinking about that and repost tomorrow when you don't have such a headache?
     
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    IOW, the CCP has won it's biological war trial against the US and the world with with the cooperation of the political and healthcare authorities throughout the West.
    There is probably a lesson there for enlightened leaders to decipher. ;-)
     
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    'The left' is not discriminating against the unvaccinated - we are simply frustrated with the fact that our medical community is STILL having to contend with the virus killing people. If you agree that the vaccines protect against hospitalization and death, then you should also be frustrated.

    The vaccines don't appear to be stopping the spread, but it has curbed the severity of the illness. Isn't that a good enough goal? We could get back to normal life sooner with higher vaccine rates.
     
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    The CDC says that the vaccines do not stop the spread. Therefore, vaccinated and the unvaccinated DO spread it equally. Why do you deny the science?

    https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-shifts-pandemic-goals-away-130028307.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

    Vaccines have been quite effective at preventing cases of COVID-19 that lead to severe illness and death, but none has proved reliable at blocking transmission of the virus, Jones noted. The result is that even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread.
     
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    the vaccine is not a condom, the vaccine tries to teach the body to fight the virus if\when you do get it

    number of cases is not unexpected, as the purpose of the vaccine is to help your body fight the virus when you do get it
     
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    How can it "teach the body to fight the virus" if the virus isn't being injected into the body??
     
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    it teaches the immune system to target the spike, which is part of the virus's key to enter the cells - I thought this was common knowledge by now
     
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    Yes, they are.
    ** Mandating vaccines to retain employment is discrimination.
    ** Mandating vaccines to attend a sporting event is discrimination.
    ** Mandating vaccines to participate in society is discrimination.

    Who is "our medical community"?
    COVID-19, in and of itself, does not kill anyone.

    Vaccines do not protect against either one. In fact, one of the side effects of vaccines is death.

    That's because they aren't stopping the spread, and that's because they CAN'T stop the spread.

    ... and how, exactly, do you know this to be the case?

    --- COVID-19 is not a severe illness. It CAN induce pneumonia, which can be lethal (especially if not caught early enough), but in and of itself COVID-19 is not severe. It is similar in severity to the annual flu.

    No... higher vaccine rates will not get us back to normal, even if they DID work as advertised... It seems to me that you have lost sight of all of the goalpost shifts which have already occurred with regard to the "do [insert action here] and we'll return back to normal" mantra... I'll remind you of those things here:

    ** Just two weeks of mask wearing to "flatten the curve".
    ** Just another two weeks of mask wearing...
    ** Just wear the masks until a vaccine comes out...
    ** Just the vaccinated can take their masks off now...
    ** Just kidding, the vaccinated need to put their masks back on...
    ** Just the availability of a vaccine will return us to normal
    ** Just 60% of people need to get jabbed to return to normal
    ** Just 70%...
    ** Just 80%...
    ** Just 90%...
    ** Just 100%...
    ** Just get the vaccine if you feel like it.
    ** Just get the vaccine.
    ** Just get the booster if you feel like it.
    ** Just get the booster.

    ** Just get the COVID Pass.

    ** Just stop using gas powered equipment.
    ** Just stop driving gas powered vehicles.
    ** Just stop eating red meat.
    ** Just stop eating meat.
    ** Just be an organ donor if you feel like it
    ** Just be an organ donor.
    ** Just undergo kidney transplant surgery.
    ** Just undergo lung transplant surgery.
    ** Just undergo gastric bypass surgery.

    How far will the "justs" continue to go??

    How many "justs" will people continue to believe will "finally return us back to normal" before we "JUST" get so damn sick of it that we forcefully demand the tyranny to end and to be reversed?? When will people learn that we absolutely cannot in any way/shape/form comply our way out of tyranny??
     
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