A Loud GOP Minority Pledges to Make Trouble on Ukraine Military Aid

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  1. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol.

    No, that's your inner partisan cheerleader hearing that.

    That was and is not what the OP is about.
     
  2. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    We aren't making decisions FOR Ukraine.

    They make their own decisions.
     
  3. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    How many Ukrainians have to die before you consider it "real"?
     
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    Europeans are contributing to the defense of Ukraine in very real ways, both directly and in terms of economics as their moves on banking and energy isolation of Russia have been extremely expensive for Europe.

    And, bringing in their healthcare is a ridiculous red herring - especially when they have been successful at keeping costs under control while delivering high quality healthcare to all their citizens - something that we have not succeeded at doing and which Republicans are demanding that we stop even trying to do!
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think it started before that, but was a good demonstration that Cold War II between was a reality.
     
  6. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    You realize that's not a real response to anything I've said right/
     
  7. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    I don't recognize your Cold War II. You just want it real bad.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know you want this real bad to be about me, but its not.
     
  9. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's easy to allocate costs to things like healthcare when you rely on the US to protect your defense interests.

    The graph says all that needs to be said
     
  10. Lil Mike

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    ??? No it's not about you, merely your idea that the Cold War restarted in 2014 for no reason that I can discern.
     
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    Well, you said it was something I wanted, but I am merely stating a fact. Whether or not you agree is irrelevant.
     
  12. Lil Mike

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    It is not a fact that a new cold war started in 2014.
     
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    I didn't say anything about 2014, but thanks for sharing your take on the matter.
     
  14. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    True I suggested the year, but you seemed to agree with it.

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    generally speaking yes. It is how loans are made, how easy or hard credit is to come by, etc. It you require banks to increase their cash reserve based on the amount of deposits, then banks will have less credit to lend. If you do the same with the required reserve ratio, the same thing. The Required reserve ratio is what all banks who are part of the FDIC has to pay into the FED that also limits the amount of loans that the bank can do.
     
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    An article that is a bunch of hot air with no evidence whatsoeve, just opinions and estimates, much like the Japanese before they attacked Midway in 1942.
     
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    Mostly to go against Russia and protect the EU and NATO alliances. Putin, in irony, did the one thing that no US president has not done since the days of Ronald Reagan, unite NATO and Eruope, generally.
     
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    Fractional reserve banking is how you steal from people.

    Long ago when people decided a goldsmith shop was a good place to store their gold in return for a receipt, they soon found they could trade receipts instead of gold as if the receipts were gold. Becuase the receipts were always redeemable for gold. These goldsmiths were the first bankers.

    Then one day one of the first bankers, a goldsmith, discovered fractional reserve banking. That goldsmith realized that no way was everybody going to claim all their gold all at once, and he could print receipts for gold that did not exist and still spend them as though they were gold so long as nobody else figured it out. When everybody else figured it out anyway they put a rope on that goldsmith and strung him up in the town square so everybody could see that you don't get away with fraud like that.

    These days we love bankers. Banks are where free money comes from.
     
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    That is not what fractional banking is. Never has been, never will be. Fractional banking is what banks do for a living in how they earn money from those deposits. It is quite literally been used ever since banks were invented.
     
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    The reality is, this administration sucked us into the regional conflict for nothing. Actually, to appease his own ego against the 'authoritarian/totalitarians'(his words, not mine)

    2024 baby, I don't know who it is but it won't be Joe Biden.
     
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    So if states did not rely on the US government for their protection, such as US military, what do you think states will do? Cut heatlh care and put more police on the streets making the sate look like a North Korea wannabe?
     
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    US government did not do that. Russia did that by openly invading the country in 2022.
     
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    The conflict in Ukraine started in Feb 2014 with a CIA run overthrow of the government of Ukraine.
    That conflict was maintained at a low level until Joe Biden got in with a Democrat controlled Congress and sent a whole lot
    of weapons to Kyiv, in Ukraine, and when those were put to use, shelling the city of Donetsk, on Feb 16th, the war escalated.
    Pres. Putin intervened to protect Donetsk on Feb 24th as he had promised, and then the Democrats blamed him for starting the whole conflict.

    Yes, it's true he did a feint toward Kyiv tricking Zelensky into moving artillery and troops back
    from Eastern Ukraine, allowing Russian forces to move in without much aggro.

    But Democrats go crazy if you try to explain this.

    Only time will tell if 2014 was the start of WW3, but I don't think it's all that likely.
     
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    So you are quoting Oliver Stone?

    there is no evidence that the CIA was involved to the extent it was. CIA did provide intelligence and other data, but that was the extent of it. But the throws of the Revolution of Dignity has been brewinng for a long time with the rejection into the EU economic zone the final straw. NATO was not even a thought then until Russia invaded Crimea and took it over. The Ukrainian people were pissed because the Prime Minister, a Putin lackey, backed out at the last minute with the EU, an economic consortium. This would have helped the Ukranian people in more ways than just relying on Moscow to buy its wheat from at rocket-low prices. Then in retaliation, russia invaded Ukraine, then you had two regions also break away at the same time, both encouraged by Putin and Moscow. Then you had the EU, the US, and even NGOs who wanted the current Prosecutor General to be ousted because he was taking bribes. Eventually, the new Prosecutor General closed that case and even stated that Hunter Biden did not do anything wrong. Then Trump tried to get into the fray in 2019 trying to tie help to Ukraine if Ukraine would admit falsely that Hunter Biden was involved somehow. So, Zelensky refuffed Trump and that is a big no no in Trump's world. Biden gets elected and a year later, Russia openly invaded Ukraine with even our military experts saying they have ten days maxed. Everyone underestimated the Ukranian people and the war has been going on for over a year now with Russia losing badly. Now Russia, under Putin's orders, is building a new city just for Americans who hink Russia is the next coming of the apocalypse or something for people like you. But will you accept that invitation much like Edward Snowden did?
     
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    We were far more involved than that in the Maidan Revolution(Who can forget John McCain's pictures in Kiev). But even more so, the real economic dispute was actually on oil. Ukraine was a major buyer of Russian oil, and in a major deficit to Russian oil. That's the major reason for the EU overture to begin with. So imagine being a business owner, having a customer who was not giving you full payments but at least was a reoccurring customer, so you could tolerate the losses. But then, said customer no longer wants to do business with you, even though you let them skate by with the payments(it should be said that Russia did have oil/energy controls, and frequent shut offs. But that's no different than what would happen domestically between a consumer and an energy supplier.)

    When the Ukrainians then overthrew the government for agreeing to the new Russian oil deal(as you point out), it was then that Russia got itself involved. The thing is, every foreign policy expert agreed that Ukraine should be a neutral state. And with Russia and the EU both vying for Ukrainian influence, that neutrality has been violated(by both sides, and neither side is right.)

    Should we be involved? Hell no, it was the sin of past American Presidents and policies, that have us funneling money to nowhere. Woodrow Wilson got this started with his fray into WWI to spread the 'concept of liberty' to Europe. What a massive failure that turned out to be. And ever since Wilson, we have been in Europe.

    Were it not for Wilson's sin, tens of hundreds of thousands of Americans needn't have died.
     

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