A Rapists' Baby

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  1. LangleyMan

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    But nevertheless, even in the case of a 12 year old girl who should have never been pregnant, if the pregnancy is too far along, there is a baby in there, and the fact that she was the victim of incest and is only 12 years old still doesn't justify killing the baby.[/QUOTE]
    Just having a baby at 12 is dangerous.
    Egads. You'd make 12-year-olds have a baby?
    It doesn't matter what laws you pass. A good chunk of women will do whatever is necessary to make abortions available to early teens.
    Toss her in jail? Put her in foster care?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some might say being aborted is more "dangerous" than having a baby at age 12.

    Suppose you say this girl should be able to get an abortion at 20 weeks gestation.
    Well that assumes she has already been pregnant for 20 weeks!
    That's something that is not going to change, even if she gets the abortion.

    Pro-life doctors will typically want to make her wait just 6 more weeks, and then will remove the baby, when it has a decent chance of survival.

    More often in these situations, the baby is removed through c-section, rather than through a normal vaginal birth.
    That's not to say a 12 year old is not capable of vaginal birth, however.
     
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  3. LangleyMan

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    I said "women," not "all women." As we speak, women are helping other women to get abortions in other states and even in other countries. American women are already seeking abortions in Canada.
    Still at it? :deadhorse:
    My mother was a city mayor. My wife taught sex ed as part of her teaching assignment. My daughter is a bank vice present supervising 75 people. I was nominated (and won) a political position by an avowed woman pro-lifer. I taught high school students and adults for 30+ years.
    All this because I stated the obvious--that women (enough of them, anyway) will undermine whatever anti-abortion law you pass. Pro-lifers I know serious about pro-life realize we have to go at the matter differently. I've said to them I don't want any woman to feel she has to abort because she feels she can't afford another child. My wife who taught sex ed is big on contraception. Me, too.
     
  4. LangleyMan

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    Those "somes" aren't medical professionals.
    Have you ever looked at the likelihood of future medical problems for a 26-week baby?

    https://www.liverpoolwomens.nhs.uk/media/3366/risk-of-having-a-premature-baby-delivering-between-26-and-30-weeks-of-pregnancy.pdf

    My daughter spent 15 weeks in a hospital with her feet in the air to hold on to her now 6'1" 17-year-old son. He made it to 40 weeks. Very few women want a late-term abortion and fight like hell to hold on, probably the most noble thing they'll ever do. We should help them, not threaten to jail them or the people who help them.
     
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  5. LangleyMan

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    What do you mean by "socialized choice?" There are very few real socialists--believers in government ownership of the means of production.
    I don't think "pro-choice" = "libertarian."
    Okay.
    A lot of men are very supportive of women. Times are changing.
     
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    That's because we know that different things are different and can't be treated the same.
     
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    Still forgetting geriatric pregnancies... Typically everything is going great till further along. Then diabetics, or mothers with lyme disease, zika virus, etc....
     
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  8. LangleyMan

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    A 12-year-old cannot legally consent to sex.
    Depends upon where, but a lot of states have decided 15 and 16 is old enough to have consensual sex.
     
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    I left that out because there is an obvious reason that the baby should be aborted and that is genetics. But sure, if you want to include that, knock yourself out. I suppose the same arguments could be made that the baby would be considered a 2nd class human.
     
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    Democrats suck.

    And if you point out to me how some are great people I’ll just conveniently say I didn’t say “all” democrats even though the intention of my message was clear to anyone with basic reading comprehension.

    lol. Classic liberal. Who now apparently needs to tell me the life story of all the women in his life just prove he’s not a mysoginist.

    Glad you at least started to parse your words properly. ‘“Enough” women will do blah blah blah cause that’s what I say they will do’


    …and why am I not surprised to know that our students are dumber than ever and you had your hands in it. Ummm….thanks???

    By all means please continue. You are amusing me.
     
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    Are late term abortions based on rape even a thing? Where are there actually examples of this?
     
  12. Izzy

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    So telling how you conveniently leave out the female who was impregnated by rape or incest, whether she's 12 or older and focus on your asinine abortion questions.
    Give it up, your ignorance on the topic of abortion is embarrassing.
     
  13. LangleyMan

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    My mother thought so. She was a Republican. I'm what you'd call an aggressive moderate. Translation--I can't abide much of what either Democrats or Republicans promote.
    Some are reasonable people. Same for Republicans.
    I was talking past you, but you know that. I didn't mention other women in my family. One was the vice president and head legal counsel for a major technology firm. Two others were school principals.

    Do you really think the two school principals see the world the way my daughter, a bank vice president, and my sister-in-law, the corporate lawyer, view it?
    Maybe it was the work experience program for every Grade 12 I set up in the district. Or my computer science courses for high school students and adults. Or my courses on business startups.

    Women won't buy what you're selling. Most believe government shouldn't be involved. A significant number of women are determined to help women get abortions.
    The question is how much you're prepared to hurt the Republican Party in pursuit of your anti-abortion agenda, a battle Republicans can't possibly win.
     
  14. Par10

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    And yet you are the one that cannot answer the question. If you are pro-choice and don't have anything to add to the conversation, that's fine; stay out of the conversation. The topic was intended to look at the topic from a different viewpoint. Sorry you couldn't grasp that idea.
     
  15. Izzy

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    Oh, I grasped the idea alright.
    Make a thread asking stupid and ridiculous questions.

    "If a rapists' baby is born, is it still ok to kill it later because it's still a rapists' baby? Maybe it's ok to treat it as a 2nd class citizen all it's life?"
     
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    Yes, I think it's stupid also. That's why I don't propose making exceptions in abortion law for rape.
     
  17. Izzy

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    Nothing is as stupid and ridiculous as your "exception" questions.


    "If a rapists' baby is born, is it still ok to kill it later because it's still a rapists' baby? Maybe it's ok to treat it as a 2nd class citizen all it's life?"
     
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    A rapists baby is a blessing from god. Stop baby murder, no excuses
     
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    Your god is evil.
     
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    What God do you follow that isn't okay with baby murder? Because it sure as **** isn't the god of the Bible.
     
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    Still doesn't mean it was rape.

    Years ago there used to be a 12 year old girl on my street who ran around dating 14 and 15 year old boys.
    Considering that she tried to make her own music video emulating Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears, singing rather sexualized / pornographic lyrics that I could not repeat here, I'm extremely skeptical that dating was innocent. Her parents came from Mexico, by the way. (You might be aware that girls often get pregnant at younger ages in that culture)
     
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    We can debate whether that is really logically true.
     
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    There is no such thing as a 'rapists baby', there are just babies. Some babies come from loving and nurturing sex in a committed relationship. Some babies come from a rather impromptu act of carefree sex between consenting parties. Some babies come from a violent act. We call them all babies. I am a prochoice man who married a pro-life woman. We have three adult children. One of them may have been borne of sexual union between me and my former wife, or a sexual union between my former wife and a violent criminal. We chose not to get a paternity test. He is MY SON regardless. If you refer to him as a 'rapists baby' around anyone in my family, you will not be chewing food for long while. It degrades and demeans the fetus, baby, child or adult.

    To question in the OP. When a woman is raped, and then finds out she is pregnant, she has a hell of a lot to process with respect to the trauma from the violation, the crime, before she can figure out what she wants to do about that pregnancy as if unplanned pregnancy is not complicated enough. Often women need counseling to deal with symptoms of PTSD before they can begin to make decisions about the resulting fetus inside them. If they are part of a couple, then they have to decide what to tell, and when and how, and that too takes time. Their decision may depend on their partner's willingness to raise this child which means he's got to process this as well. It all takes time and some healing.
     
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  24. LangleyMan

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    Huh? What part of @cd8ed's statement might not be "logically true?"
     
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    Excellent points. Some woman who get pregnant from a rape are single and have the complicated decision of what to do regarding the pregnancy — keep, abort, give up for adoption. If the single woman keeps her child then she is raising her child not ‘the rapists child’. If the single woman decides to abort an unwanted unplanned pregnancy that is a decision for her to make and it’s nobody’s business but her own. If the single woman decides to have the child and puts it up for adoption, that’s her business as well. Referring to a baby as ‘a rapists baby’ is truly demeaning, as mentioned, not only to the baby but to the parent/parents who choose to raise that child.

    What an asinine question. Killing a child after it is born no matter the circumstances of how it was conceived is murder. Why would anybody treat a child as a second class citizen to the the circumstances of how it was conceived? Most do not let the fact that a child was conceived by rape define that child, well not anybody with intelligence.
     

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