A world without God is calmer, safer, happier

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  1. Interaktive

    Interaktive Well-Known Member

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    A world without God is calmer, safer, happier
    do you agree
    Europeans already think of God as a fairy or a hobbit
    Muslims must also be taught this
     
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    It really depends on your experiences with the concept of god throughout your life. God can be introduced as a great concept to people and also as a super-negative concept.

    Like you could have emotionally mature Christian parents who introduce the concept you in a balanced reasonable way. You can also have a suspicious, distrusting family life in which god is taught in an invasive and punitive way.

    Your emotional concept of god could invoke love and peace and calm but you could also feel like you are a total letdown for things that have no actual moral importance. There are many feelings that could be associated with one’s god concept.
     
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    RE: A world w/o God
    SUBTOPIC: Happier, safer?

    How do we (mortals) know if there is a Supreme Being, First Cause, or Creator?

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    ... and cheaper too.

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    It is irrelevant to the effect of the OP. Whether there is or there isn't or if we know or we don't ... the state of calm, safety, and happiness is the same.
     
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    to be fair
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    What about ...

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    Let us ask him his opinion today.
     
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    we do not know who and when he was reborn as, remember, he was killed by a Christian that was upset he that he said the Beatles were more popular than Jesus, kinda proves the ops point doesn't it

    https://www.the-paulmccartney-proje...oted-saying-were-more-popular-than-jesus-now/

    "“Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn’t argue about that; I’m right and I’ll be proved right. We’re more popular than Jesus now; I don’t know which will go first – rock ‘n’ roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It’s them twisting it that ruins it for me.”"

    he was right, all religions come and go.... and new religions are often built on top of the old
     
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  12. Thingamabob

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    That old thing? Did he really say that? I seem to remember that he was influenced by "Catcher in the Rye" and that he saw himself as the 'catcher', saving children from ..... evil?
     
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    RE: A world w/o God
    SUBTOPIC: Happier, safer?
    ⁜→ Thingamabob, Interaktive, et al,

    (COMMENT)

    This is a comparison.
    A world without God.
    'vs'​
    A world with God.​

    IF there is NO GOD in the universe (Supreme Being, First Cause, Creator) THEN the world without a God makes sense. But, we cannot make a determination as to the outcome of being happier, calmer, or safer because we have no alternative world with a GOD to compare it with.

    IF there is a GOD in the universe (Supreme Being, First Cause, Creator) THEN we cannot make a determination as to the outcome of being happier, calmer, or safer because we have no alternative world without a GOD to compare it with.

    IF we are outside the capacity to make a determination as to the presence (or lack) of a GOD (Supreme Being, First Cause, Creator) - THEN the question becomes a fallacy.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    I suppose the OP meant 'a world without belief in god' since quite likely god doesn't exist anyway.
    Yeah, let's take the ignorance and bigotry out of the world, and just live together.
     
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    surely there is no god if there is pantheism
     
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    Everything you say is true, however ..... we can only go with what we've got. Lots of metaphysical promises but not a smidgeon of proof. We can point to perpetual war "in the name of god" and we can safely attribute that to god in the minds of the participants. Contrary to what many (most? all?) theists claim they are not at peace. They scrape together some sort of community and model it after a utopian "god-loving", "god-serving", humanitarian kettle of broth ... but what happens? Paranoia, slander, hate for "the other church", the broth is replaced with Kool-Aid, and eventually there's murder and destruction. Is that a prejudiced view? Probably, yes, but that's what's on display.
     
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    No single god, at least. How can anyone believe in all the gods, since they say different things? That's the problem, which is the one true god? There have been thousands of gods that foolish people have worshipped, and all but one must be false. Except the one that you worship. Anyone with half a brain would come to the conclusion that they are false.
     
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    The world would definitely be a better place if they believe this.
     
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    I guess it depends on the God and the person. I'm certainly feeling much calmer, safer, and happier after abandoning traditional Christianity.
     
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    https://near-death.com/george-ritchie-nde/

    Here are some quotations on the basic ideas behind Grand Unified Theory and String Theory:



    I regard the traditional theory of evolution occurring here in the fourth dimension as astonishingly unlikely. On the other hand if Super Force or Super Energetic Matter by its very nature would always have exited, and if there at the minimum had to be a sufficient supply of this energy to form the material universe, then we would be talking about infinite time being the paradigm within which intelligent life could evolve in the truly fundamental space time dimension.

    Dr. Hawking has been quoted as saying that "Super strings" somehow exist in ten or eleven space time dimensions simultaneously. He believes that it will take at least ten if not eleven space time dimensions to mathematically unify all four forces that essentially explain all phenomena in the observable universe. If this theory is at all accurate then perhaps God may have required a rather lengthy "time period" to INVENT planets, stars, the force of gravity, grass, trees, amoeba, squirrels, the human reproductive process, and whatever possible prototypes may have been experimented with previous to the creation of Adam and Eve that may well have been created only about six thousand years ago. If indeed there are ten or eleven space time dimensions and if all higher dimensions are invisible then is it possible that arch-angels such as Gabriel, Michael, Phanuel, Uriel or Raphael may well be beings who exist primarily in ninth dimensional space-time?


    Dr. Chaim Tejman does an excellent job of explaining how Wave Theory relates to every phenomena that we observe on this earth.
     
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    RE: A world w/o God
    SUBTOPIC: What is known - how we come to know it...
    ⁜→ Thingamabob, et al,

    (PREFACE) I thought and appreciate your posting as "insightful."

    (COMMENT)

    Hummm... This observation is an assumption; but, let us fly with it.

    This ("what we've got") is the knowledge, skills, and abilities acquired along the research pathway concerning GOD (AKA: Supreme Being, First Cause, Creator). It should approach a subject from the interdisciplinary "theoretical" investigation and the interdisciplinary "practical" application (more than just the scientific methodology). The product should be an outcome beyond that of the scientific principles. This includes going beyond any set of discoveries traversing lines of inquiry between the "experimental" and "demonstrable."

    (COMMENT)

    Metaphysics promises nothing. Metaphysics pertains to the study of reality (the relation between things and their properties and that which is undetectable) as a whole. Metaphysics uses the traditional hard sciences: however, is not restrained by them. That is to say that there are aspects of reality and hard science that do not lend themselves to "proofs" and "evidence." More than two-centuries ago René Descartes (Philosopher ≈ 1596 → 1650) outlined the two basic subdivisions of "reality:"

    ◈ The Physical Realm (Quantitative • Material)

    ◈ The Mental Realm (Quantitative and Subjective)​

    This is basically the use of both evidence and pure logic → establishing the facts of the truth of a statement (as opposed to belief). Consciousness is very much a part of our reality; however, it is not material and is very much subjective.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     

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