About the Holocaust

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    It was closer to 2-3. And there's nothing magic about that. For ****'s sake, man, the MANUFACTURER RECOMMENDED 2-3 at a time.

    I never said water was a fuel and I doubt Nizkor did either. What I said, and what Nizkor probably said was that FAT is a fuel.

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    In some cases, they were crushed. However, the size of any bone/teeth remains and the integrity of them to stand up over any amount of time depends on how hot the furnace is. Keep in mind that the Nazis weren't cooling the furnaces down between each burning (in fact, the manufacturer recommended that they not do this.

    The aforementioned

    Wrong again.

    Good thing no one here is claiming that, so why make it up? Meanwhile, the Denialist Industry blogs aren't holding up to scrutiny.
     
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    If the Nazis were intent on exterminating the Jews, why did they design special uniforms for them and was time building those concentration camps? It would have been far more efficient to simply shoot them on the spot. And when you look at pictures of survivors you see the Jews in their special uniforms looking fat and healthy and happy while the other prisoners are skin and bones. It seems that the Nazis were protecting the Jews as a group instead of trying to exterminate them. Over 150,000 Jews fought in the Nazi army against the Allies.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not ignoring your Posts but I'm discussing this same topic at:http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-star-of-david.606078/page-13#post-1073928409

    I'm also busy with Christmas and out of town guests.

    I hope your holidays are enjoyable and will respond ASAP

    Thanks,
     
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    I've never heard of a 2 - 3 body muffle and it would still take 2 - 3 times longer than one body and need 2 - 3 times the fuel.

    Do you have a credible source for your claim: "....the MANUFACTURER RECOMMENDED 2-3 at a time."

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    I'm afraid that you're both wrong. Have you ever tried to light a piece of fat from a steak?

    Again, the human body is about 75% water and no matter how inconvenient this fact is to the Holocaust Industry - Lobby, it's just additional evidence that the standard Holocaust narrative is inaccurate.

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    Again, can you show the Manufacturer's Recommendations?
    Don't forget that the muffles have to be shut down for cleaning and repairs.
    I'm a blacksmith that has worked with both wrought and cast iron. They both warp and crack under intense heat; with frequent use they require frequent cleaning and maintenance.

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    I wrote:
    "No mass graves have been found at Treblinka where about 850,000 to 1 million are claimed to have been burned in pit / pyre cremations which would leave even more remains but after two investigations, no mass graves have been found. (2), (3)"

    (2) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.” CONTINUED


    (3) “Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves”
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT “A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.” CONTINUED

    Please show how 2 detailed examinations revealing no mass graves are "wrong".

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    I wrote : "Open burn pits only offer incomplete cremations and require more fuel than was available.

    The remains of Stalin's, Mao's, Pol Pot's victims, etc are easy found but only a few small mass graves have been found around the German run camps".


    Please clarify what you mean when you wrote: "The aforementioned"

    Thanks,
     
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    I will go into more detail about the other claims, but I have to get clarification here first. Are you honestly claiming that animal fat is not flammable? That's what you appear to be saying here, but I'm not sure how someone could come to that objectively false conclusion. Anyone who has even so much as heard of a grease fire knows this is a false claim, so why do you appear to be making it here?
     
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    What I've been saying is that the human body is said to be about 75% water which is not a burning fuel and would dilute any flammability coming from whatever "fat" existed

    I don't know the chemical make up of "fat" but I do know that whale oil is made from whale blubber but how closely human fat is to whale blubber, I don't know.

    You mentioned grease fires that occur in kitchens but, there too, I don't think that human tissue is chemically the same as hamburger grease.

    Are you suggesting that bodies will burn by themselves because of "fat"?

    Additionally, the amount of coal / coke delivered may be incomplete but the means, rails and hardware to move such large amounts quickly simply not there.

    Finally, I hope that you had an enjoyable holiday.

    I'm trying to discuss this same topic with at least 2 other people on different threads so I may be a little late in responding.

    Thanks,
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    I'm suggesting that fat burns. Are you willing to accept this basic scientific fact? Do you acknowledge the basic fact that, for example, grease fires exist? If you can't agree to this much, then there is no hope for discussion. After you accept this basic, objective fact we can move on to other topics, but if you can't even accept that, then there is no hope for discussion. Animal fat, including human fat, can burn. Agree or disagree?
     
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    There were multiple kinds of concentration camps, including death camps (where the "special uniforms" weren't really a thing) and labor camps, where they extracted as much labor from Jews and other prisoners as possible before killing them.

    In many cases, especially in Poland, they did exactly that. However, doing so en masse would hardly be more efficient. Keep in mind that the Nazis weren't going around advertising this **** and leaving millions of bodies in the ditch would have been 1) harder to hide and 2) would have increased diseases among Germans. Getting labor out of some of them first and/or just sending them straight to a place where they could be easily and cheaply killed in groups without wasting military resources like ammo and where they would be a few feet from a crematorium was far, far more efficient.

    Yes. Folks who had been in labor camps longer were skinnier than those who hadn't gone to labor camps or who had only been there for a shorter period of time. Why is this surprising to you?

    Only those who never cracked open a history book.

    It was illegal for Jews and mischlings, who had their citizenship stripped from them, to serve in the military or hold any civil position. Hell, they couldn't even be lawyers or educators and it was illegal for Jews to even fly the Nazi flag. There were, however, exceptions made for some mischlings, such as the 150,000 you refer to here. Some were of a low enough percentage of Jewish heritage that they didn't count. Some hid their heritage. Some were granted exceptions based on previous military service. Regardless, whoever told you this was a good argument was pulling one over on you.
     
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    Yes, fat can be a fuel if it is heated beforehand (rendered).

    Now, please explain the reason that this information is relevant to the topic at hand.

    Thanks,
     
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    Such as heat in a crematory.

    I'm not sure where I lost you. Seemed pretty self-explanatory.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I hope that you're not claiming that bodies burn by themselves.

    I'm discussing this same topic with at least 2 other people. I'll reread your earlier Posts.
     
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    Dear Grau, you are working too hard on this thing, take a break and smell the roses. :rose:

    A holocaust survivor wins the lottery:

    Moishe wins the lottery and reporters start asking this ancient Holocaust survivor about his plans for the money.

    Without hesitation he says he is going to commission a statue of Adolf Hitler.

    The reporters are stunned and ask why a survivor of such an atrocity would do such a thing?

    Moishe rolls up his sleeve - "he gave me the winning numbers!" :D
     
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    The Red Cross which monitored conditions and interviewed thousands of former work camp inmates. Nowhere in this or secret German radio transmissions is there any evidence of a genocidal German agenda:

    "NO EVIDENCE OF GENOCIDE

    One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps towards the end of the war.

    Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78).

    In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend." CONTINUED (1)

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    This whole paragraphs just speculative nonsense inspired by too many Hollywood movies.
    After the trouble and expense of building, maintaining, and supplying homicidal gas chambers, gassing large numbers of people would have required a higher cost, more manpower, far more danger and time.

    The Holocaust Industry - Lobby simply switched its focus from the work camps where few remains have been discovered to "Holocaust of Bullets" where any fanciful tale could be made up and falsely blamed on the Germans even though Communists and Poles(2) were also killing Jews throughout the region.

    Re:
    More nonsense...
    While many Jews did lose their businesses other Jews were high ranking members of the National Socialist Party(3) and there were about 150,000 full and mixed Jews some of whom rose to Germany's highest ranks and received Germany's highest honors(4), (5) with the full knowledge and approval of Hitler and the German High Command.



    (1) "THE JEWS ANDTHE CONCENTRATION CAMPS:

    A FACTUAL APPRAISAL BY THE RED CROSS"
    http://all.net/books/iw/mid-east/unity-news.2000-12-03/www.ummah.net/unity/holocaust/09.htm


    (2) "1946 US report said ‘Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans’"

    "Post-war declassified State Department document found long history of Polish anti-Semitism before, during and after Holocaust"

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/1946-...ed-the-jews-as-vigorously-as-did-the-germans/

    EXCERPT "A US State Department report from May 15, 1946, found “evidence that Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans” during the World War II Nazi occupation of Poland."CONTINUED


    (3) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


    (4)"Historian claims Hitler personally approved officers of Jewish descent to fight for Nazis"

    ADOLF HITLER personally allowed at least 77 army officers of Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause…

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/his...-of-jewish-descent-to-fight-for-nazis-1.58495

    EXCERPT "Many brothers, cousins and sons of these officers were not on this list, although they should have been there," he wrote. "The list is very spotty and there are most probably many other cases of this type."

    The most senior general of Jewish origin was Field Marshall Erhard Milch, who rose to be general inspector of the Luftwaffe and was convicted of war crimes after 1945." CONTINUED



    (5) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED
     
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    The Red Cross acknowledges the fact that the Holocaust happened. We also have eye witnesses, confessions, and at least one voice recording from an official at the time period acknowledging it was going on.
    You are mistaken. your responses are just speculative nonsense inspired by too many denialist articles. It doesn't take many people to run a gas chamber. And they frequently used other prisoners for that labor. And delousing chambers were more dangerous, but you acknowledge (at least for now) that those existed.
    You cut off the part where I said there were exceptions. Why did you cut that part off and then talk about the exceptions? Regardless, they were exceptions. The RULE was that Jews and mischlings couldn't serve. It was the ****ing law, dude. Why pretend that something like that doesn't exist when anyone can do less than a minute of homework and see that it does?

    I thought you said you didn't deny the Holocaust? Please make up your mind.
     
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    Re:
    I think that it's important to recognize that Germany's system was part of its penal system established for Germany's. rapists, murderers, pedophiles, robbers, Communists and other real or perceived threats to society. Therefore, a significant number of inmates were genuine con men and eager to demonize the Germans with stories that either contradict each other or are inconsistent with known facts.

    For example, according to Red Cross interviews, thousands of inmates made no mention of homicidal gas chambers but the few that do make physically impossible claims and / or contradict each other. When asked about discoloration of the bodies, most all "gassing eyewitness" declared either no discoloration or the wrong color discoloration.

    The only confessions of a genocidal German agenda or of homicidal gas, steam, electrocution(1) chamber or "Vaporizer"(2) were made under some of the most extreme torture possible or under severe duress.
    After Rudolph Hoess' confession, he said that he would have confessed to killing 10 million Jews to stop the beatings.

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    I don't think that either of us knows what's involved in rounding up victims, herding them to a homicidal gas chamber, forcing hundreds of them in, gassing them, waiting for the ventilation system to exhaust the gas, emptying the bodies which if you've ever tried to carry or drag a dead body is exhausting.
    The number of guards needed to control thousands of people going to their death would make it much quicker and easier to shoot the victims.

    Not only is there no mention of homicidal gas chambers from Vatican and Red Cross reports, there is no mention of homicidal gas chambers in intercepted, secret German radio transmissions and in October of 1948, any former inmate declaring the existence of homicidal gas chambers was to be arrested and charged with perjury (3)
    Secret German radio transmissions mention shooting and hanging as a means of execution but never mentioned execution by gassing.

    Yes, I've always claimed the existence of delousing gas chambers which was another effort to save lives.

    Another way we know that there were no homicidal gas chambers is because each camp got the same amount of Zyklon B per inmate. The current Holocaust narrative is that some camps had homicidal gas chambers and some did not.
    Therefore, if Zyklon B was used to kill inmates then the "death" camps would consume more Zyklon B per inmate but since they didn't, there could. have been no homicidal gas chambers.

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    When there are 150,000 exceptions / Jewish soldiers in Hitler's military, who knows how many high ranking officers in the National Socialist party, numerous exceptions for Jewish doctors, WW 1 Veterans and other non Communist Jewish civilians, the law is virtually meaningless. I'm not saying that there were no race laws during Hitler's rule but even he ignored the law with his Jewish friendships (4)




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    Re:
    The quote you cited was not written by me. Yes, I believe that the Holocaust happened. I only feel that it's been crassly exploited and grossly embellished.

    Thanks,




    (1) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


    (2) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED


    (3)“The Holocaust Myth”
    http://www.searchforthetruth.co.uk/holocaust

    EXCERPT “Major Miller of the Allied Military Police HQ in Vienna signed memo/order #31/48 on Oct. 1, 1948 declaring that since the Allied Commissions of Inquiry had established that no one in the 12 German concentration camps was killed by poison gas, that any former inmate maintaining otherwise was to be arrested and charged with perjury.” CONTINUED


    (4) "Remarkable tale of Hitler's young Jewish friend"
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46192941
     
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    Yes that's pretty much it. Seems they are attempting to artificially fulfill Biblical prophecy.

    Heard of The First Holocaust? This was being touted as early as around the end of WWI. They thought the breakup of the Ottoman Empire would give them Palestine after the war so they had to start promoting the six million figure then.

    There was a vid on youtube showing a lot documentation supporting this but I don't know if it's still up there, probably not.
     
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    What is frightening is that thousands of children are deliberately brainwashed into believing a slanderous and bigoted anti German lie and then, many unthinking souls still believe this lie into adulthood.

    It doesn't help that the wealthy and influential Holocaust Industry - Lobby perpetuates this lie through MSM, its Zionist dominated Wikipedia(1) so that victims of this lie can show "proof" through complicit sources.

    The fallacy of the "6 million Jews"myth should be evident through its frequent recurrence in major news outlets over the decades. We have read that "6 million Jews" are "starving", in peril, dying etc in about 200 instances from only 1900 - 1945 (2)

    I don't think that many people doubt that Europe's Jews, like so many others, suffered dismally during the WW 2 era but not only did "6 million Jews" not die during the WW 2 era, it looks like the world Jewish population actually grew during the WW 2 era according to Jewish sources(3).

    Re:
    You're right, minions of the Holocaust Industry - Lobby, JDL militants and Zionist Hasbara trolls have a way of making truthful information about the Holocaust disappear.

    After all, if there were truth to the standard Holocaust narrative, it wouldn't need "Holocaust denial" laws to defend it from honest examination and open debate in almost 20 democracies.

    Thanks,



    (1) “Zionist Control of WikiPedia
    http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...ls-the-media/429-zionist-control-of-wikipedia

    EXCERPT “And as shown in our section on Google, this Internet search-engine is well in the hands of Zionist Jews and also cooperates openly with Zionist organizations such as ADL and the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) to control the searches and censoring information and certain sites.

    This means that apart from Wikipedia other sites may be censored when Googling any given subject.” CONTINUED


    (2) "Full text of "Two Hundred "Six Million Jews" Allegations From 1900-1945"
    https://archive.org/details/TwoHundredSixMillionJewsAllegationsFrom19001945


    (3) "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

    EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED
     
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    Thanks for the excellent advice. I've got plenty of distractions so that this forum doesn't consume too much of my time.

    Even though participation in this forum is supposed to be an enjoyable way to pass the time, it can still seem like work since I try to respond promptly especially to civil and respectful Posts.

    Don't forget to have a HAPPY NEW YEAR!


    Thanks,
     
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    you are very kind, dear Grau. Thank you!
    In return I wish you and everyone else visiting this thread a

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    ein Frohes Neues Jahr 2023!

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    Unfortunately, there is more sad news!!

    A 97-year-old woman is being accused of having been an accomplice in the murder of...
    Jews in the Stutthof Concentration Camp during the Hitler regime.

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    A German court on Tuesday convicted a 97-year-old woman of being an accessory to more than 10,000 murders for her role as a secretary to the SS commander of the Nazis’ Stutthof concentration camp during World War II.

    Read all about it here:
    https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...ver-verdict-on-ex-secretary-at-nazi-camp.html
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    This is actually a better link:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/20/nazi-camp-secretary-irmgard-furchner-stutthof-germany
     
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    What a windfall for the Holocaust Industry - Lobby: more publicity, more outright lies, another "witch burning" and further confirmation that the Holocaust Industry - Lobby is the most influential entity among all of Germany's current occupiers.

    Since no peace treaty was signed between Germany and the Allies, Germany remains an occupied country and must endure these widely condemned Soviet style show "Trials" that violate the very basic moral principles of Western Justice.

    These Soviet style post war show "Trials" were such grotesque distortions of justice that US Supreme Court Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone condemned them as a "...high grade lynching party" and a "...sanctimonious fraud". Former president Eisenhower's more ethical brother condemned the "trials" as a "...black page in the history of the world."

    It is certain that if Ms. Furchner already endured the post war abuses of the victorious Allies as well as other post war miseries common to German WW 2 survivors, she has already paid dearly for whatever role she may have as a mere secretary in a German work camp.

    It's long past time to quit harassing elderly Germans for crimes that are either completely fabricated or grossly exaggerated and let them live the rest of their lives free from torment by the corrupt and insatiable Holocaust Industry - Lobby.

    Thanks and Happy New Year,
     
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    Please explain how this is "sad."
     
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    Any decent human being will feel sad for the old Lady, standing at the threshold to the next dimension. She deserves forgiveness and a hug!
     
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    Any woman who survived Germany's post war chaos, persecution and vindictive Allied occupiers has been punished enough.
     
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    At least there are still a few brave hearts around who are disgusted over this idiotic judgement.
    Here are some random readers comments:

    Vladimir Koterniak
    She should had moved to Canada...2

    CMEequalsGWSub Atomic Particle,
    The object of all this is to remove anyone who might disclose the truth about what really happened. Instead of the world being told that people died from cholera they want you to believe they were gassed etc. Disease was the real killer, cholera and typhus ran rampant, rats spread disease among the people when gathered in camps where sanitation was minimal. But that does not fit with the story.

    ukung
    It shows very clearly, that brain washing the Germans into stupidity was a full success !

    J.B Hennessey
    Interesting how they are convicting a 97 year old, while arming 20 year old Nazis in Ukraine.
    zioissick
    97 years old secretary! Jws keep this sht alive to milk the whole western world for compassion and money. It is ok jws killing Palestinians daily and stealing their lives.

    Fred McConnell
    THIS is just absurd! NOT justice, just vengeance! Now we're down to secretary's. Sure glad I don't live in Germany!

    Read more here:

    https://www.rt.com/news/568585-nazi-camp-typist-convicted/
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    Irmgard, of course, deserves the "Ritterkreuz mit Eichenlaub"!
    Suspended sentence... doesn't that mean she wont have to serve time in an actual prison at all, just on paper?

    "Good Luck, Irmgard!"
     
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