Accusations of rape when evidence shows the woman was going to have sex with the man

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you misunderstand. I was explaining the point of view many people in society have. Not myself personally.
    It is important for you to recognize that not all people are as noble as yourself; there is a big portion of society who are not.

    Plus when you get a big group of women on the jury and the woman in the witness stand is balling tears, they'll be inclined to throw the man to the wolves.
    (Most women's brains work differently than men's, emotions are more important, whereas men view things in the world as working like a machine)
     
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    I have extensively studied discrimination against men since 1996. It is almost never mentioned in MSM, but it is very pervasive.

    Sentencing men to 20-30 years with no corroboration is one of the worst examples of such discrimination.
     
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    Most people would condemn your heretical opinions. Nevertheless, in many cases that is the practice. For example, there may not be evidence for criminal conviction, but there is evidence for a civil case or expulsion from a university.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think what you don't get is that there are many people in society who would be likely to convict a man based on a woman's allegations alone, no other evidence, in many situations. Probably half of society, or even a little bit more than half.

    What I'm just arguing is, if the only evidence he committed rape is the woman's testimony, and we also happen to come across evidence showing she wanted to have sex with him, we should be very reluctant to convict him. That he should either only get a very tiny amount of punishment, or no punishment.

    There are a lot of people who would be unwilling to agree to even that.

    That's what you don't understand. When I state my position and my argument, what you don't get is that you are on the total other opposite side of what I'm arguing against. It's as if I am in the middle facing left to battle a big group, and you are on the right, angry at me because I am not standing close enough to you. And you can't see the big group to the left. I'm standing in the middle.
     
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    I apologize. I agree with you 100%. I am saying that many people secretly agree with you as well -- thus in many cases there is no evidence of proof, but evidence for expulsion.
     
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    Wrongful prosecutions for rape are always a problem

    Fr more men are wrongfully convicted than the number of unsolved rapes

    It is a massive probblem
     
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    500 or 200 rapes would not be a signifficant problem. Would you agree?
     
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    Not over a 20+ year period for the entire country, no it wouldn't be.
     
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    Give a few examples of men who were wrongfully convicted of rape based solely on the testimony of the accuser.
     
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    Anyone can accuse anyone of anything at any time. That has nothing to do with rape.
     
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    You can find almost no examples of a conviction where the only evidence is the accuser's claim.
     
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    What I noted up here people are calling that rape. So you either need to clarify or state that you agree
     
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    What people?
     
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    People on planet Earth where have you been.
     
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    Who is saying it is rape, and why should we care what they say? Are the police or government saying that it's rape?

    Should we do something to stop regular people from deciding they consider it rape?
     
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    If someone accuses someone else's right what do you do?
    What?
     
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    I don't do anything. What should I do?
     
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    So if you had a daughter that accused her boyfriend of raping her you wouldn't call the police?
     
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    There is an alarming number if men who rape women because she can't prove it and decide not to pay to go through the courts.
    In the end what would she gain anyway except public criticism?
     
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    Yes, and the police would investigate, and bring charges if appropriate.

    If she was lied to the police, that would also be a crime.

    I guess i wasn't sure what you meant by "If someone accuses someone else's right what do you do?"


    Do you think the police should not investigate reports of rape unless the person reporting it comes with hard evidence?
     
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    So just an accusation can harm a man.

    Meant to type rape but right.

    it should be treated like any other accusation.
     
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    It is treated like any other accusation.

    An accusation of theft can hard a man too. That doesn't really have anything to do with rape.
     
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    it isn't though.

    If someone claims someone else stole their property that's an accusation of theft and what you would have to do to determine if there is a theft is seek out evidence. Once you have enough to arrest somebody and that's when that happens
    I don't know what this means.

    "Can hard a man too"
     
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    hurt not hard

    How many examples can you find of men who had charges filed based on nothing other than the statement of the accuser?
     
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    I do not know. I have studied Criminal Justice Statistics since 2000, and I could not find any data on the evidence used to obtain convictions. Nevertheless, convictions on the accuser's word alone have been lawful since 1970s.
     

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