Ah, another mass shooting. That must mean more guns, right?

I have posted several times lately about how most mass shooters were on some sort of psychotropic drug. I thought that would be a definite link. But yesterday I searched on other countries and found some have even more of their population on drugs for depression. I looked at Iceland in particular. They have about the same percentage of the population who owns guns as the US and have a whole lot of people on depression drugs, yet zero gun deaths. There must be a societal element to the problem, unless they are using different drugs. What do you think?

 

The war is over.
Let it end.

 

Iceland is the same as the UK, weapons allowed are hunting weapons only. No handguns or automatic rifles.
Consequently their police don't need them either.

So the same connection for gun ownership is not being made. Their guns are exclusively for the purpose of killing animals. America's guns are for the purpose of killing humans.
"protect myself from gangs" (humans). "Protect myself from the government" (humans). "Protect my family and my property from crime" (humans).

Time America was disarmed. You have an army. Use it if needs be.
State of emergency.

 

That is what some of the people in the article said, they don't think of guns being for self defense and the police don't carry them either. But you would have to have a very peaceful society to come to that POV. If crime was out of control, if people were being robbed, houses broken into, people would start to feel differently. The article said they have a great sense of community. The population is also spread out, no huge poor urban areas, no great differences in wealth. Society is breaking down in the US, people aren't as friendly towards the neighbors, many probably don't know many of their neighbors. Morals are going down, discipline and taking responsibility for your actions is on the decline. The public are constantly being pulled into groups to divide and conquer by the elites. If our society was more at peace with itself, guns would not be a problem, much as they weren't 40-50 years ago.

 

In the end you have to put your front foot forward.
It's that simple.

Take aim for the society you want to be.

Here in the UK we have the same laws as Iceland. We have the same disparity in wealth and even greater concentrations of people than America does.

You can make all the excuses for yourself that you wish.
You must address the problem or it will remain.

The first school shooting in this country, was also the last.

I was not happy to give up my AK47. I did not want to. I loved it. But it is done.
And when I look at your country I find this personal injustice easy to accept.

As a gun owner, you are responsible. As a gun proponent, you are responsible.
You talk of taking responsibility. Now do so.

40-50 years ago the types of guns were different. Technology has advanced.
Automatic weapons has changed the scale. The amount of damage a single person with a gun can now do eclipses that of a WW1 rifle squad.
Laws designed for the ownership of muskets are being applied to the owner ship of machine guns. This is quite dumb.

 

For gun nutters, those lives mean nothing. The right to cling to their violent toys is the most important thing in their world.

 

These events are INCREDIBLY rare, and children are safer than ever as crime remains at record low levels.

Tragic things happen, but to allow zealots to destroy freedom as a result?

Unacceptable.

 

They aren't incredibly rare in America. They are an almost daily event.

Your freedom comes at the expense of the freedoms of others.
The freedom to live without fear.
The freedom not to need to search school children.
The freedom not to need armed police and all the lack of freedoms they bring.

Your freedom to be irresponsible isn't worth very much.

 

Not at all, but thanks for your concern.

 

Agreed on many points. While, during the election, I have no doubt there were "paid trolls", both American and Russian, but now I'm not so sure. Trolls abound on the Internet. They don't have to be paid to post their extreme political views while sniping and snarking at those they oppose. Psychologically, I think they do it for a few reasons such as an effort to escape their miserable lives (displaced aggression), to live a vicarious virtual life or to give them a sense of order in a chaotic world.

Agreed 100% we must protect our rights; unalienable, enumerated and unenumerated.

 

School shootings are way too common here

 

After Obama was elected, the Democratic motto became "never let a crisis go to waste".

Everyone who cares to read their posts know that the "usual suspects" are for gun control, gun bans and further empowering the Federal government to tell us how to live, think and believe. They must be resisted at every turn.

 

they try to wrap themselves in the flag.....while we bury our children

 

I think that most countries don't allow dangerous people to run amok in their society.

We put mentally disturbed people into prison - you do realize we have more people in prison than any country on the planet, don't you? There, the condition for creating a depressed / anxious criminal is perfect.

Additionally, we try to compare our figures against other countries. So, let us measure apples to apples, not apples to oranges.

As I pointed out in earlier posts here, Japan has lower gun related deaths, but their suicide rate is over TWICE of that in the U.S. per 100,000 people.

Right now America leads the world both in the number of citizens per 100,000 AND percentage wise in anti-depressant use. In addition, Americans consume over 80 percent of the world's opiods. Mixing these drugs is dangerous. Very few studies have been done, but this one will show you that the results are very eye opening:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16005413

So, when you consider that Iceland is one the most homogeneous societies on the planet; that they have fewer opiod users; that they are not plagued by the stresses of a multicultural society; that they supervise those with mental health conditions all play a role in the equation. I would also point out that suicide per 100,000 Icelandic citizens is much higher than in the United States. My initial thinking is that we need to figure out the role that opioid use mixed with SSRIs is playing in this equation.

I still keep coming back to what countries do with people that use SSRIs. Iceland has a better method of rehabilitating people AND, UNLIKE THE UNITED STATES THEY ADDRESS THE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE (that emphasis wasn't meant for you, but for those who choose to ignore this issue.) A key example I found is that Iceland has over a third of its prisoners furthering their education. In the United States, we send drug addicts and those hooked on "legal" drugs back into society with no chance of survival. Again, let's start looking at all the factors to get a complete picture.

 

Let's make America safe for revolution so that a dictator can come to power. Iceland and the UK don't have internal and external forces massed against them, trying to destroy the nation. But, your POLICE STATE attitude is duly noted. There was a time when what you uttered would be considered treasonous.

I have a question. Would you allow a Brit to aim one of those firearms designed exclusively for killing animals at you and see how it works if he dropped the hammer on a loaded round?

 

Like Soro’s who invests in guns and ammo companies and then causes the run on guns. What is sad is you libs want to strip away the right to protect yourselves and you protect criminals and fight to keep our borders open to allow terrorists and gang menbers in, that is just another helping of anti-American liberalism, which is no surprise from the left.

 

If life has taught me anything over the last 60+ years, if there's a will, there's a way. No assault rifle.....no problem, they'll just make a large bomb. No handguns allowed in London........no problem, 25 people get knifed a day. Your logic is fatally flawed.

 

Imagine if only 25 people were shot a day in the US

 

Uh...that's just in London...

 

Prove it

 

More Guns = Less Crime.

Every school shooting proves the obvious: Gun Free Zones are Shooting Galleries.

 

Another mass shooting does not necessarily mean that I need more guns; however, it does mean, to me, that I should keep my gun with me more often. Another mass shooting in a GUN FREE ZONE does mean, to me, that I should avoid gun free zones or maintain concealment when there.

 

That's about 25 per day in London alone.

 

Do you know what a knife incident is? Lol