Air caused the flag to move so it was obviously in a studio.

The moon landings couldn't have been fake. The lighting and shadows were parallel which film experts says is possible to duplicate in a studio but makes sense if the light source was the sun millions of miles away. The astronauts also placed a devise that can bounce back lasers on the moon landing site and scientists from many countries have confirmed it is there. We were in a very tight race with the Russians and it would have been easy for them to refute the moon landing by not getting anything back from their lasers.

 

Theres a mirror on the moon we placed there. You can bounce off of it yourself. Thread is over on this fact.

 

Scott, quit looking at the flag and look at the gait of the astronauts. They are on the Moon. Nobody moves like they moved on Earth.

I recall when they were there. We had a proud day then. I suppose we had no idea some kids from the then future would try to diminish it.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sc...oon-landing-conspiracy-theories-debunked.html

 

The flag proves no hoax and no other evidence exists of a hoax.

The evidence is crushing and overwhelming that the landings and space walks were real. You have never presented evidence to the contrary.

 

You're sidestepping my question. Go back and read my response to your post in post #172 again.

Maybe the footage was taken outdoors with a special lens.
http://apollofake.atspace.co.uk/

This issue has come up here a dozen times. If the Surveyor program* was real, they had the technology to soft land robotic craft on the moon back then.

What Happened On the Moon? Part 2 - Environmental Dangers & The Trouble with Rockets

(1:17:02 time mark)

At around the 21 minute mark of this video the footage from Apollo 11 can be seen played at double speed.

Conspiracy Theory : Did We Land on the Moon ?. (FULL) (February 2001)


It can also be seen in this video at around the 30 minute 40 second mark.


When the speed is doubled, it looks just like movement in earth gravity.


There's also the issue if the difference in body movements between the earlier missions and the later missions. The earlier missions seemed to use a simple fifty percent slow-motion. Check out this footage at the 00:44 time mark.

MoonFaker: Leapin' Lunatics. PART 1



When the footage is doubled, it looks unnaturally fast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G29WT2_y1-E


It looks like they used a crude fifty percent slow-motion in the earlier missions and, according to Jarrah White, a combination of about sixty seven percent slow-motion combined with wires on the later missions as it looked better.


Anyway. the flag anomaly closes the whole case by itself. That flag movement would not happen in a vacuum. Air made the flag move. Anyone can duplicate this at home with a napkin and a doll. Make the doll go past the napkin at about a forty five degree angle. The napkin will move away from the doll, and then move back toward it in the same manner as the Apollo flag. This video shows that the flag started moving before he got close enough to touch it.





*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveyor_program

 

I guess I'm way too optimistic. Each time this guy goes quiet, I fervently hope that some sort of sense has come over him, or that he at least has found other things to occupy what must be a very sad existence. Ah well, doesn't look like any of that will happen.

That whole post is regurgitated spam answered literally hundreds of times. His wall of spam addressed point by point:-

http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com

In keeping with his rather cowardly tendencies, he went back recently to the cosmoquest forum, as a sockpuppet after already being banned twice. Since I wouldn't wish to reinvent the wheel, I am simply going to copy a post made by somebody there(who has even used some of my videos!), where he appears once again to have had his ass kicked:-


In your own time, answer the following

For future reference and for anyone who encounters this person again on their travels, I am going to summarise as much as possible the things he has avoided.

• He put up a video that had the youtube user "hunchbacked" claiming the LROC pictures were photoshopped, because he found some metadata of a tiny cropped section from the large original transmission. The images posted on the internet are edited tiny segments taken from absolutely massive uncompressed images. Of course they use an imaging software to create this. The originals, TIF files, show no such manipulation.
  
  Your claim is dismissed, do you have any rebuttal to this?

• Counter claim about the soil getting up to jump height:
  Video 1 shows a gravitational analysis of the Cernan hopping sequence. I would also state that this is part of a massive unbroken sequence where the astronauts travel hundreds of yards from the rover and cross over numerous times. The analysis proves that the jump is perfectly consistent with lunar gravity. It shows the adjustment for Earth gravity.
  THIS is MY VIDEO!!
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSuvW0FRd-U
  
  Video 2 shows a piece of soil being kicked up - to jump height just like your volleyball player, that hits the ground at the SAME TIME as Cernan. This proves they are not on wires.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG5FuVxDcPU
  
  Can you explain how this is possible, because the 245% footage is clearly ridiculous?

• Numerous points raised here - https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthr...36#post2455236 and none responded to. In particular, the lens flares move on a still camera.
  
  How can spots on a camera move(they are lens flares...same question)?

• Numerous points raised here - https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthr...40#post2455240 and none properly responded to. In particular, when given a plausible alternative to his "wall of air" claim, concerning soil striking the flagpole, he dismissed it saying the pole needed to move. Notwithstanding such a tiny movement needs just a tiny pole vibration mot necessarily visible, the rod DOES move. I posted a video of it and he said the video was doctored because he couldn't see it with his mouse! I asked him to prove it was doctored. He ignored this.
  
  Neither of your videos precludes two events. I don't know what causes the initial movement, but it isn't air, because air doesn't behave that way from so far away. I suspect he simply kicked a bit of soil along the ground, something like this at 21 seconds...
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyOt6RUs9mE
  
  The flagpole moving:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4gbMT-Zs2Y

• From post#56, he conceded that they were lens flares, he conceded that the Apollo 14 footage looked doctored. He then posted a ludicrous video about the LRV being a model! His claim amounts to 3 things:-
  
  1. The astronaut is not moving. So what, why should he?
  2. The soil is different colours. Phase angle changes to retro-reflective surface.
  3. It is comparable to front screen projection on 2001. Ridiculous observation. This was a fixed shot, the moon footage is moving constantly. It is this, more than anything that makes me question his credentials or motive.
  Direct questions:
  
  Can you verify his credentials please?
  How do his alleged credentials allow him the skillset to pose a credible analysis?

• Concerning his nonsense claim about the flap on the LRV Apollo 15 traverse, he claimed the sky was blackened ON AN IMAGE using modern software! My reply, unanswered:
  
  So your method involves using modern digital software on a single image, to create a 20fps video in 1971? Forgive me if I ask you to try again!
  
  It is a continuous video with mountains that don't get any nearer over several miles. The surface is lit for as far as can be seen. The sky is black. When the rover turns across Sun, the phase angle of the Moon changes and the whole surface is less reflective.
  
  Can you explain in detail how that could possibly be done?

• Concerning the Apollo 15 flag movement. He claimed the following are ruled out:
  
  Show me exactly where these are ruled out:
  
  1. Video artefact blooming.
  2. Flagpole settling in stand.
  3. Static discharge.
  4. Kicked soil striking the bottom of the pole sending small vibration.
  
  Do NOT post another video, especially when you seem to think Jarrah White rubbing a balloon against his head rules out the enormous static discharges that can occur in a vacuum!
  
  He then posted a video of that very thing!

Quite breath taking how he can have the audacity to roll up yet again and post the same stuff he has already posted here about 50 times, whilst avoiding so much aimed at him from another forum, from the same spam.

 

Probably aliens

 

Proof that the lunar landings were real lies in the fact that in 2014-2015, all six landing sites were photographed in detail by Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter from lunar orbit. The photos showed enough detail to see tracks left by the astronauts as they completed all their assigned tasks. Those tracks remain as they were when the astronauts left them, and their very presence proves the landings were real. The photos also show the base portion of the Lunar Landers, left when the astronauts blasted off to rejoin their command modules in orbit. All this hoopla about the Moon landings being faked is all pure, unadulterated BS. Perpetrators of these lies should take pride in the fact that for one brief time period, mankind left his home world and visited another planetary body totally separate in space from Earth. In all human history, only 27 human beings have left Earth's gravity and circled the Moon. Twelve of those 27 actually landed and walked on its surface. That's a remarkable feat, and an astounding historical event. Be proud of it. Relish in it. Don't be an instrument of negativity and falsehoods by tearing apart the trust and the awe we all feel.

 

Pictures are fakable so they aren't proof as they might have been faked.

The proof that the LRO photos are photoshopped


MoonFaker: LRO at 50km. PART 1


MoonFaker: LRO at 25km, Dead Ends & No Fly Zones. PART 1



I'll deal with that other stuff later as I'm a bit busy now. Anyway, none of it makes the flag anomaly go away and the flag anomaly is proof of a hoax by itself.


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...sly-in-a-studio.362999/page-8#post-1069417194


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Here's the thread that Betamax is referring to.
https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showth...pollo-footage-was-filmed-in-air-here-on-earth

 

Cut and paste spam. The pictures are authentic until you prove otherwise. You just made the same spam post as the one on Cosmoquest and here a few times, that resulted in the post you avoided. Very deceptive.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-apollo-landing.519410/page-6#post-1068573066

At the foot of this post:-
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rops-to-a-movie-set-mod-warning.403884/page-3

You won't deal with it, you will avoid it or obfuscate, like you always do.

The insanity of your circular reasoning exhibited once more. Start with a claim unproven, then constantly use it to dismiss every single thing made in counter evidence. You are the only fake thing about this.

 

Betamax lost the debate on the flag movement a long time ago. He just won't recognize it.

He destroyed his credibility by insisting that the flag movement was not consistent with the atmosphere explanation even though anyone can test it at home with a napkin and a doll.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nd-the-apollo-15-flag.438617/#post-1065702116
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-apollo-15-flag.438617/page-2#post-1065710796

The flag keeps swing back and forth after the astronaut has passed by it. That means a physical force moved it. This rules out blooming.

The movement is consistent with it's being hit by a wall of air. There would have been some noticable movement of the pole if the settling scenario had been the case.

It's also very clear that you doctored the original footage in the video you made.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...sly-in-a-studio.362999/page-6#post-1065076608


If it were static discharge, there would be other instances of the flag being moved by that in other footage in which the astronauts are close to the flag. There wouldn't be just one in which the movement is coincidentally exactly like the movement would be according to the atmosphere explanation.

If kicked soil had made the flag move, the flag wouldn't have been pushed uniformly. There would have been little points on the flag where pepples and soil were hitting it.


The flag movement alone proves the hoax to the satisfaction of an objective person of average intelligence. There's really nothing that the pro-Apollo people have put forward that proves anything and the flag proof renders it all moot anyway. The case was closed a long time ago. The missions were faked. There's really no point in my going on.


Here's another video.

Can't touch this (flag)



http://www.politicalforum.com/index...sly-in-a-studio.362999/page-8#post-1069417194

 

You shameless hypocrite. Your whole agenda is sidestepping!

The footage you say? You absurd person. You put up a link where they use modern software to amend one single image, then suddenly this applies to pre-digital video film and cine film with 20+ frames per second? Ridiculous. You were asked this on cosmoquest and here(and probably many other places).You sidestepped it as you always do.

Who exactly are you addressing here? You are a big fake, spent flatulence. You were just given a huge post to address, one of many and you simply avoided it. Winning a debate involves responding to the actual responses. You don't know what the word debate actually means!

A spammer, with no discernible moral integrity is not capable of making such a judgement, particularly when it is circular reasoning. What is this ludicrous test you speak of with a doll and napkin. Are you crazy? The relative scale itself prohibits any meaningful comparison, since any movement from draft of air will be too close to the object to be seen easily.

Here is a genuine comparison, completely refuting your hopeless claim:-

After he subsequently brushed it with his elbow.

No it does not. The two events need not be connected. We know his distance to the flag does not rule out contact from his elbow, This contact does not preclude another action to account for the tiny motion we see just before.

You failed to respond as to why the lens flares move!

Explain right now, why the lens flares move on a fixed camera! I laughed when I read your claims on CQ that they weren't flares, even when given prior footage showing them appearing and diminishing in size.

Spam. We are back to your bare assertion and "wall of air" bullcrap.

Never have you provided honest and satisfactory answers to the following:-
How come Jarrah White's flag doesn't move until he is level with it?
White's flag ripples and billows, how come the Apollo flag does not?
Why do the lens flares move?
During the footage we see clear fine dust being kicked a sizeable distance and prints being made. How is that possible?

A fake strawman claim. Firstly there was slight movement, secondly, no discernible movement is necessary for such a tiny movement of the fabric.

The classic comeback of a dishonest person. He asks for proof of something, is given it, then calls it fake because he lacks any skill at all to check something so simple. I have made no change to either screen shot that comprises the visible movement. If you claim I have, prove it properly, without the moronic test of using your mouse on the screen!

The moving the goalposts claim. There simply is no other comparable footage. The only other close proximity footage is on Apollo 17, where the flag is barely still from all the constant handling. The simple fact is that you have no means to dismiss this as the cause.

The broken gramophone record of circular reasoning. You have yet to demonstrate you "atmosphere explanation". My video above shows how fabric behaves when something moves past it. You have no way to explain it, so you ignore what it shows and make up some hogwash about how your case is somehow different.

You simply cannot believe the bullcrap you are writing. A small amount of soil strikes the base of the pole, the tiny vibration moves the flag. Once again you make up some ludicrous reason that is clearly so, in a futile act of trying to prop up your main claim.

No, it most certainly does not. You are not objective and you don't come across as being as high as average intelligence.

Hot air. You resort to your standard bare assertion. As has already been pointed out to you, your single "case closing" claim does not work as a means to ignore all the countless items of evidence that you fail to respond to properly. You are the only thing fake about this whole thing. You are not a truth seeker, you are a very strange person who doesn't have any capability to own up to their own shortcomings.

No scientific method whatsoever. I see no adjustment for perspective distortion from the TV camera. Jarrah White showed the astronaut was close enough, now you want to claim he is incompetent?

 

As I've already pointed out a few times, these two videos show that the flag had already started moving before he got close enough to touch it. If air were not the explanation, it wouldn't have moved at that point.

Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement


The flag that moved




Start watching here at the 6:00 time mark.

MoonFaker: Flagging The Dead Horses. PART 4



Jarrah says that even if the astronaut were close enough to touch the flag, the scenario of the flag's moving because the astronaut touched it can be ruled out as when shown in slow-motion, the flag starts moving before the astronaut is close enough to touch it.


This closes the whole case. Betamax is wrong and everything else that he brings up is really moot now. Air had made the flag move before he got close enough to touch it.

Betamax also has no credibility as he said the flag's movement was not consistent with the atmosphere explanation even though anyone can test it with a napkin and a doll so he's not to be taken serioiusly.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...sly-in-a-studio.362999/page-8#post-1069417194

 

Yes, I can confirm that you have pointed this out maybe 20 times alone on this forum. The problem is that you are either intellectually challenged or are being deliberately obtuse.

Two events. Not one event. One thing caused the tiny movement. One other thing caused the subsequent bigger movement.

The small movement is caused by:-

• Static electricity.
• Kicked soil gently striking the base of the pole.
• The pole simply settling from tiny vibration of approaching astronaut.
• Blooming effect from vidicon tube.
• Actual ground vibration.

The greater movement after he passes it is simply from subsequent contact from his elbow.

Air does not behave that way. There is an air wake from moving objects, but not 4-6 feet in front of them! Also, when something creates an air wake on fabric, the fabric billows. Jarrah White's blundering experiment showed a few significant things that the spammer cannot satisfactorily answer.

• His flag does not move until he is level with it, the Apollo flag shows tiny movement when he is almost 6ft away.
• His flag stops really quickly, the Apollo flag does not.
• His flag clearly billows, the Apollo flag does not.

Yet again your spammed videos!

You are lying and misrepresenting his video. He clearly shows that the astronaut is on a path that will move the flag with his elbow. What happens before he does this is the issue that you fail to even understand. It is a separate thing, caused by one thing from the first list.

Another blustering failure of a statement. It does not explain any of the evidence that you consistently avoid.

A repeat spam failure at poisoning the well. You have no answer to the vast majority of my posts, so you dismiss them because of your spammed circular logic.

Hogwash. Air does not behave that way.

More idiotic circular logic. Sadly, you repeat your incredibly dumb claim about napkins and dolls.

Interested viewers can see that my first post has many points that you have completely avoided. The one you just part quoted has many too.

Regarding the "doll and napkin" -The relative scale itself prohibits any meaningful comparison, since any movement from draft of air will be too close to the object to be seen easily.

Here is a genuine comparison, completely refuting your hopeless claim:-



Never have you provided honest and satisfactory answers to the following:-
How come Jarrah White's flag doesn't move until he is level with it?
White's flag ripples and billows, how come the Apollo flag does not?
Why do the lens flares move?
During the footage we see clear fine dust being kicked a sizeable distance and prints being made. How is that possible?

Please indicate a time frame when you will get around to a full and honest answer to the post pasted from Cosmoquest!

 

(post #20)
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...obviously-in-a-studio.362999/#post-1064032430

 

The frame that Jarrah White points to shows his body to be nearly 8ft away from the far edge of the flag.

How far away do you say he is he when it shows movement? Your evidence shows it clearly beyond a feasible distance for air.


Answer properly and honestly, all the points raised above and previously. Especially why two lens flares move!!

 

Round and round we go. You're still trying to divert attention away from the second movement by talking about the first movement.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...obviously-in-a-studio.362999/#post-1064032430

You're not fooling anybody. This anomaly is simply too clear to obfuscate.

Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement

 

I am trying to get a known serial forum spammer to answer questions he has avoided for 10 years.

Spam response, who would have thought it. Now spammer, answer the posts properly and honestly. I know you don't believe your own argument, you are like the Black Knight in the debate hall who is thrown out for causing too much laughter!

The frame that Jarrah White points to shows his body to be nearly 8ft away from the far edge of the flag.

How far away do you say he is he when it shows movement? Your evidence shows it clearly beyond a feasible distance for air.

Never have you provided honest and satisfactory answers to the following:-
How come Jarrah White's flag doesn't move until he is level with it?
White's flag ripples and billows, how come the Apollo flag does not?
Why do the lens flares move?
During the footage we see clear fine dust being kicked a sizeable distance and prints being made. How is that possible?

Please indicate a time frame when you will get around to a full and honest answer to the post pasted from Cosmoquest!

Also, it would be mighty fine if you were to back up your big mouth and prove I have doctored my video showing the tiny flagpole movement. Please note, your act of using the mouse, is fairly moronic as a means to verify this. Take two screen prints as I have and make a small animation. Young children can do it, but not you it seems.

 

These two videos are back online.


Physics of the Moon Flag
https://www.brighteon.com/e347e5dc-061f-49d9-8516-0795dfeb33bf

Physics of the Moon Flag 2
https://www.brighteon.com/27efc538-cc98-45a4-88ba-f425eb9ccc8c

 

And long since debunked like all of your videos and posts

 

I am trying to get a known serial forum spammer to answer questions he has avoided for 10 years - answer the posts properly and honestly. I know you don't believe your own argument, you are like the Black Knight in the debate hall who is thrown out for causing too much laughter!

The frame that Jarrah White points to shows his body to be nearly 8ft away from the far edge of the flag.

How far away do you say he is he when it shows movement? Your evidence shows it clearly beyond a feasible distance for air.

Never have you provided honest and satisfactory answers to the following:-

How come Jarrah White's flag doesn't move until he is level with it?
White's flag ripples and billows, how come the Apollo flag does not?
Why do the lens flares move?
During the footage we see clear fine dust being kicked a sizeable distance and prints being made. How is that possible?

Please indicate a time frame when you will get around to a full and honest answer to the post pasted from Cosmoquest!

Also, it would be mighty fine if you were to back up your lies and prove I have doctored my video showing the tiny flagpole movement. Please note, your act of using the mouse, is fairly moronic as a means to verify this. Take two screen prints as I have and make a small animation. Young children can do it, but not you it seems.

 

Steve the Chemist made this short video which is a short summary of his longer video*.

The Apollo Flag Moon Gag
https://www.brighteon.com/f46e83b8-41cc-4c6a-a3d0-b9c941430150

The difference he says there is between the periods of the flag moving back and forth between the moon and earth gravities seems consistent with this.
https://www.nagwa.com/en/videos/414127169497/

There should be a big obvious difference between the two movements seeing that moon gravity is one sixth of Earth's. The math seems to show that the period on the moon would have been about five seconds instead of about two seconds. If he had considered the slow-motion of the Apollo footage, the difference would have been even greater.


That and the fact that the flag started moving before the astronaut got close enough to touch it pretty much close the whole case.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...sly-in-a-studio.362999/page-8#post-1069503350

That footage was taken in air on Earth.



*
Physics of the Moon Flag
https://www.brighteon.com/5545a13a-1b33-4c2a-9393-050bac22b91d

More of his videos...
https://www.brighteon.com/channels/stevedachemist

 

Is an imbecile.

Makes the same monumental blunder which the serial forum spammer ignores.

And the ignorant gullible suck it up.

It would do if the pendulum was a simple one. It is not. It is a highly complex one with multiple energy transfer between points on the fabric. In addition this clown has once again got the drop of the pendulum hopelessly wrong. A flag with a cross support has a diagonal from top right to bottom left that represents multiple drop distances. NONE of these match the vertical one since the pendulum swings mainly about the diagonal - the longest one is being polled horizontally by the fabric.

Not when the imbecile uses a bath towel with no diagonal comparison!!

It probably would if it was a simple pendulum and the drop was accurate. Neither are true!

Idiotic spam. The distance is far beyond a point where a lateral air wake would move. My video of a cloth from a ceiling shows the initial movement TOWARDS the flag. You routinely ignore this.

Hogwash. The Earth flag comes from aggressive motion to a complete stop really quickly.

Debunking The Apollo Moon Hoax: The Apollo 15 flag (debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com)

Now of course your spam by numbers posts the Apollo 17 flag windyz bullshit and ignores the counter twist he clearly performs and the numerous jumps and hops I highlighted in my analysis video - another one you are cowardly afraid to respond to.

Debunking The Apollo Moon Hoax: The Apollo 17 Flag (debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com)

Get back in your cage, you are really rather useless at debate. I had a chance to view some better footage of Cernan bunny hopping and you are still hopelessly wrong. One minor consideration I did was to assume you were correct as one does in science and see if it fits. What it amounts to is a maximum variance of about 15 hundredths of a second. Now your useless grasp of mathematics may not quite get what that means but in terms of gravity it is almost negligible in a comparison with Earth footage slowed down, a matter of a few inches! My analysis video demonstrates what the problems are and you clearly lack the education to understand it.

 

Well, as sad as that is, they can't help it if they've been brainwashed by Marxist scum masquerading as teachers/professors. I sometimes wonder if these bright, eager propagandists posing as an intelligentsia ever learned what happens to the intelligentsia after the revolution is complete?
ETA: I was 8 years old, that summer day. I remember it like yesterday. Not only were the adults and kids in my life bubbling over with pride, but the news also showed the same reaction from all over the world. I believe it was America's absolute peace time zenith. Who'd have imagined that the malcontents in universities on that day would instill such hate for America that even our children would loathe themselves for being born here? Those who did this are evil.