Alabama court ruled frozen embryos are children.

Yeah, I suck at life. I was just reading another Fani Willis thread. Not everything is about Fani! I have to keep telling myself this.

 

Nope!

Now I want to know what made you say what you said above. Please cite your source.

The phrase "with child" is merely a conventional way of saying "pregnant".

 

I got the number from March of Dimes. I'm not sure whether they are counting failure to implant or not. Actually I'm not clear on how they would tell the difference as far as early enough that the woman was unaware she was pregnant.

 

You don't understand William -- it is not my "happiness argument" .. it is your who wants to deny healthcare rights on the basis of utilitarian justification for law "happiness" .. not me.

Unless I am mistaken you were in favor of forced medical treatment .. on the basis of harm reduction to the collective. Forgive me if I am mistaking you for a another fence hopper.

 

No .. I do not agree... but even if I agreed .. your argument is still completely invalid as a zygote does not have the capacity "wake up" .. nor does it have the ability to capacitate sentience should the zygote wake up.

Sentience and/or the capacity for Sentience the Zygote does not have .. and will never have.

but you are wrong right out of the gates .. as someone in a deep coma is not brain dead. That is when the doctor pulls the plug and the dirt nap begins .. by definition of the coroner .. which is the one we will use here. Someone in a deep coma has a great deal of brain activity .. keeping your heart and lungs functioning .. no need for an iron lung to keep the patient alive .. the brain also has the ability to capacitate the soul .. the "I AM" .. Sentience.

The zygote doesn't have a brain .. can't capacitate squat now can it.

 

I did cite my source. You quoted it. Why is this so hard?

 

Who are you calling "misinformed" about biology and science ? Medical textbooks do not state that the living organisms in one's morning dump are humans.

and you are the one who believes the Religion refutes the Science.. and if not that then what as your claim is as anti-science as it gets .. .. running around crying out for Justice for all human organisms .. rights including the right to life .. the fallacious basis the "pro-Life" platform.

Are you not Pro-Life Blue ?

 

The difference is irrelevant ... and this has been explained to you numerous times .. .. that not every human organism is a human .. Human feces for example contains many many human organisms "Biology 101" mate .. thought that was your major.

How does Diploid/Haploid make a sperm "not a human" and a zygote a human .. show us now your biology skill.

 

That your claim "Life starts at conception" is ridiculously false .. is the only thing not complicated here.

Is the sperm not alive Poly ? .. OH .. right .. not complicated .. animate does not come from inanimate.

 

"Well?????" .. a quick google search "zygote chance of implantation" -- the first hit was

"Pregnancy does not occur until the fertilized egg (zygote) implants itself into the uterine lining. The zygote begins the process of implantation about five to six days after fertilization. Only 50% of zygotes will successfully reach this stage of implantation"

So .. it seems that the "major misconception" is the assumption that zygote/embryo will necessarily result in a live birth... Right !?

 

I'm for healthcare being available, accepted or rejected by the decision of the patient - like it is today, except without denying care due to ability to pay, which is a somewhat separate issue.

I haven't said anything approving of a "collective" that has rights that would override the healthcare decision making of individuals concerning their own bodies.

Women have rights of personal bodily autonomy.

 

As I pointed out, your cite did not say what you claimed.

The phrase "with child" is a social nicety.

 

This is likely due to a reading comprehension issue. Maybe highlighting it in bright red would be helpful.

This doesn't change the definition or the reliance on the definition under Alabama law. The Wrongful Death of a Minor Act, first enacted in 1872, used this definition. In your example, "with child" means the same thing as "with an unborn human/person." Vocabulary that violates your political ideology doesn't change the meaning of words. That's not how language works. Leftists often like to change the meaning of words in ridiculous attempts to strengthen their arguments. If you can't make your argument without pretending words mean something different you should probably re-evaluate your argument.

 

a “ Google search” ?

 

It is irrelevant. This is tantamount to saying we should be able to murder men because a certain percentage die by heart attack anyway.

 

WTH does this have to do with whether human children at the embryo stage can be killed?

 

This is all nonsense coming just from some inane notion in your head!

 

Good grief, read a human development textbook and educate yourself!
I’m embarrassed for you.

An embryo is neither a spermatozoa, nor an egg.

 

I stand by what I said.

 

Nor is it a zygote or a person.

 

Ah, a Dunning-Kruger sufferer, someone too clueless about a topic to understand how clueless they are.

Don't worry. All pro-lifers faceplant at the basics, and all of them get hysterical when I educate them.

Anways, good luck with your "BECAUSE I SAY SO!" screeching. I'm sure it will convince someone, someday. Just keep trying.

 

We know. Disagreeing with the dictionary isn't a strong argument to stand on, but some people need their political opinions to be validated by something other than facts and logic.

 

The difference is ENTIRELY the point and your lacking of knowledge of biology continues to expose itself. I explained the difference to you in the simplest of terms that even the layman could understand. Gametes are not human organisms they are merely a type of human cell, Biology 101, mate.

gamete



Gametes are an organism's reproductive cells. They are also referred to as sex cells. Female gametes are called ova or egg cells, and male gametes are called sperm. Gametes are haploid cells, and each cell carries only one copy of each chromosome.
https://www.nature.com/scitable/def...sm's reproductive,one copy of each chromosome.

They aren't the organism itself.

 

Because they do not state human organisms are in your feces.

You got that backwards mate, if anyone is citing religious faith that would be you I stick to the Science.

 

What's wrong with facts and logic?