All science is materialistic

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  1. Interaktive

    Interaktive Well-Known Member

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    All science is materialistic
    matter is primary, idea and god are secondary
    science must dominate
    do you agree
     
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    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    Science generates justified beliefs. To science, that which is justified is primary. It's not science's fault that theism won't produce good justifications. If science was as lenient as some theisms are, then it wouldn't be worth anything.
     
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    matter might just be waves and frequency.

    Physics becomes less materialistic the more we learn.
     
  4. Pieces of Malarkey

    Pieces of Malarkey Well-Known Member

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    Science has no moral component. It can be, and has been, used for both the greatest achievements of mankind and its most heinous abominations.

    Heaven forbid it proceeds untethered to some kind of moral compass or God if you will.
     
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    Your statement about science applies just the same to god.
     
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    I disagree.
    Science, at its most basic, is the search for truths about the universe around us.
    Some fields of study are referred to as “hard” science. These are those things most people associate with the word “science”. Physics, Chemistry, Biology, etc.
    But there are other truths to discovered. These are the “soft” sciences or even philosophy. These are things that can’t be measured Ethics, Morality, Psychology, etc.
    Some people don’t see these areas as “science” because you don’t study them in a lab under rigorously controlled conditions.
    But they share two very important aspects with “hard” science. They both involve asking questions and then testing the answers and neither gets it’s answers by appealing to a divine authority.
    I wouldn’t trust an answer that came from a holy book to the question, “Is X moral?” than I would for the answer to “what is the chemical composition of X?”
     
  7. Interaktive

    Interaktive Well-Known Member

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    yes, all non-christian countries are unsuccessful
     
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    Materialist science will continue to dominate—if we ignore consciousness.
     
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    Do you not consider psychology, a science?
     
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    Interaktive Well-Known Member

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    ask a psychologist at a mental hospital about materialism
    you will be told that everything is material
     
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    I wasn't planning on being in a mental hospital, any time soon (then again, who does plan that?), so are you unable to explain, what you are claiming that any psychologist will say is true? That would seem to be a contradiction.

    Your OP, however, had specifically referred to "idea," as not being part of science, and any psychologist at a mental hospital who declares that psychology has nothing to do with thought, I would suspect is really a patient, just impersonating a doctor.

    Even if you differentiate thought from ideas, there are certainly also many theories employed, in not just psychology, but in physics, and in most sciences. And theories certainly are "ideas." So maybe you'd care to reword your opening thesis?


    EDIT: For that matter, MATHEMATICS is purely conceptual. Even if these symbols are used to speak about material objects and forces, they are very often things that cannot be measured, at least not at the time these are only being speculated, in equations.
     
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    it's a shame not to go to a psychiatrist
    I am ashamed to go to church
    Europeans don't talk about religion anymore
     
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    Yes. Both science and religion are tools.
     
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    There may be some forgotten science hidden within religion, as traditions formed over time with trial and error and the most fit stuck, as in evolution. Or it also may reveal a lot to us about human psychology.
     
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    Religion has at least as much of a history of untethering humans from morality. The Bible alone is evidence of that.
     
  16. edna kawabata

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    Maybe you should see a psychiatrist if you feel shame walking into a church and think you speak for Europeans.
    Beliefs, ideas and priorities "dominate" how we use science.
     
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    There’s also the social sciences if you prefer something less objective.
     

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