Alvin Bragg's potential indictment of Donald Trump slammed for partisanship: 'Looks like Christmas f

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  1. WhoDatPhan78

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    Nice fortune cookie analysis.

    Catching some flies is better than not catching some flies.

    If we only implement solutions that are 100% effective, then we'd never do anything.
     
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    Is Alvin Bragg a New York lawyer?

    “WHAT IS BLACKMAIL UNDER NEW YORK LAW?

    Blackmail under New York law involves threats to obtain property from another person usually, but not necessarily, money. You can be charged with Blackmail in the form of larceny by Extortion if you obtain property by compelling or inducing someone else to deliver property to you through instilling a fear in that person that you will physically injure someone, damage property, ***expose a secret***, or commit other acts listed under the statute. Blackmail, aka, Extortion, is distinct crime from Coercion in that the latter occurs in the same way as Blackmail but you induce somebody to do or not do an act instead of having that person give you money or property.


    IS IT A CRIME TO BLACKMAIL?

    It is a serious crime to Blackmail another person under New York Penal Law section 155.05(2)(e), which defines and prohibits Grand Larceny by Extortion. Larceny by Extortion is charged as a felony in New York and codified in New York Penal Law sections 155.30(6) and 155.40(2).”
    NEW YORK LAWYERS ORG, New York Blackmail Crimes: FAQ II (*** mine).
    https://www.new-york-lawyers.org/new-york-blackmail-crimes-faq-ii.html

    IMO, a New York lawyer and DA should have asked his grand jury to examine New York Penal Law section 155.05(2)(e), which defines and prohibits Grand Larceny by Extortion. Larceny by Extortion is charged as a felony in New York and codified in New York Penal Law sections 155.30(6) and 155.40(2), to see if the facts in evidence might expose other potential targets of interest.
     
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    I agree. From one's personal funds, no it isn't.
     
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    If you are running for office, any money you spend to prevent damage to your political campaign is campaign spending.

    If you do not declare that expenditure as campaign spending, then you have broken the law.
     
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    Except no witches were burned in Salem..most of them were hung. I believe one was pressed to death. One of multiple great aunts was one of the first hung.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Nurse
     
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    Statutes over one page long are almost always a product of the corrupt legislative process and designed primarily to obstruct justice.

    Proposed anti-corruption statute:
    ‘Bribery, a Class A (Level 1 Felony) is committed when any public official takes a bribe and when anyone offers a bribe to any public official. (
    See definition of “bribe”) (see also “Big Fines” “Long sentences”)

    “bribe:
    1 : money or favor given or promised in order to influence the judgment or conduct of a person in a position of trust

    MERRIAM-WEBSTER DICTIONARY
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bribe

    Easy peasy. Count the words. ;-)
     
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    What evidence? Bragg is postponing his grand jury hearings every morning out of fear there will be more leaks over how terrible his case is.
     
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    The DoJ, after investigating, disagrees with you. Also, Bragg has no authority to charge someone with a federal crime.
     
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    No they didn't.

    The DOJ never said it wasn't a crime.
     
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    You have no idea why Bragg has postponed these hearings. No one does.
    I say it's because there are valid security concerns that Trump supporters are going to try to disrupt the proceedings. Why is your supposition any more valid than mine?
     
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    The DOJ declined to press charges because they didn't have evidence to bring charges. Bragg does not have more evidence than the DOJ had. The DOJ prosecuted John Edwards who undisputedly used campaign funds to pay off his mistress and they lost the case. They knew they couldn't get anywhere. Additionally, Bragg cannot prosecute a federal crime.
     
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    Because Trump supporters had an opportunity to protest and there were more members of the media present than those who protested. Your supposition was already disproven. People don't believe this is a real attempt to prosecute Trump other than the TDS crowd... which is why they outnumber the protesters.
     
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    And you don't know of any intelligence the DA's office or the NYPD might have. Sure the number of protestors that showed up was small but for all any of us know there was a credible threat of a bomb or sniper or something else.
    Claiming it was because the case is "falling apart" or "not a real attempt" is complete supposition with no evidence to back it up.
     
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    Bragg isn't trying to indict Trump for a campaign finance violation. It's about Trump submitting false documents to NYC.
     
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    Burnt; hung. Either way it spells dead. Nevertheless, thanks for the additional information.
     
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    The press is talking about what transpires in the grand jury hearings. What we know is that Bragg got caught withholding 315 emails that disprove his case from the grand jury. We know people inside Bragg's office are running to the press saying there's major dissention in the office because they know how weak their case is. And, we know that after Costello's testimony entering evidence into the record that Bragg withheld he's been canceling the hearings. We know Bragg has more witnesses to call (the expectation is he has one final witness). The only reason to postpone is because he's afraid to let his case rest with the jury based on what has been introduced. Only the TDS crowd thinks this will end well for him. Even the head of the union for the court's officers has said Bragg has turned this into a zoo and he will hold Bragg personally responsible for any injuries that happen as a result of this. The law isn't on his side and neither is the evidence. And, now Trump won't even be responsible for any negatives that come out of this.
     
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    Where is the long promised Trump Indictment?

    Does this Braggadocious Soros Puke Prosecutor have a glass jaw?

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    'The left was practically salivating at the thought of Trump getting indicted and arrested, but just as quickly as the hype started, it seems to be fizzling out. It looks like their dreams of seeing him in handcuffs are slipping away faster than a greased pig at a rodeo. At this point, I dare say that it looks like it won’t happen at all.'

    WE DEMAND IT! Trump will wipe the inside of the Courtroom Floor with this puke faced rat.

    'That’s right. No indictment. No handcuffs. No perp walk. The radical left has been yearning for this moment for years. And for a few days, it seemed like that wish might finally come true. However, it now appears to be just another chapter in a never-ending fantasy that always falls short of becoming a reality.'

    PUKE FACED BRAGGS STAR WITNESSES WERE A HOOKER AND CROOKED LAWYER, TWO TRADES NOT AS DISTINCT AS ONE MIGHT AT FIRST THINK

    'Michael Cohen legal advisor Robert Costello appeared as a surprise witness on Monday. Trump touted Costello’s testimony as conclusive and irrefutable evidence of his innocence. And he may not have been exaggerating.'

    COSTELLO BROUGHT THE GOODS, AND THE RECEIPTS

    'Costello’s testimony, along with the evidence he presented — a five-year-old letter from Michael Cohen’s attorney affirming that Cohen made the payment to Stormy Daniels alone and that Trump had no role in reimbursing him — had a significant impact on Bragg’s case against Trump. This impact was so substantial that the Manhattan grand jury did not assemble on Wednesday, and while they did meet on Thursday, they did not hear the case involving Trump, postponing the alleged indictment to at least next week.'

    LEFT STORMY AND COHEN WITHOUT A KNEE TO STAND ON

    THEY MAY BE HAVING DIFFICULTY CONVINCING, EVEN THE NYC GRAND JURY, THAT TRUMP IS GUILTY OF A CRIME

    'the Daily Mail reported on Wednesday that there is speculation that the prosecutors have been unsuccessful in persuading the jury to accept that Trump is guilty of a crime.'

    GRAND JURIES WILL INDICT A HAM SANDWICH, BUT THEY WON'T INDICT TRUMP? HE MAY BE THE CLEANEST MAN IN DC!

    '“They are having trouble convincing the jury to swallow the case. It’s a weak case and has caused divisions in the DA’s office." “Other reports suggested the DA’s office could be contemplating a change of strategy.'

    Is This the Bombshell Evidence That Destroyed Bragg’s Case Against Trump?

    'Legal experts from both sides of the political aisle have highlighted the frailty of Bragg’s case. Bragg was most certainly aware of this fact, too. Perhaps he didn’t care because he was too eager to become a hero to the radical left and advance his career. Or maybe his Trump Derangement Syndrome blinded him to the fact that he had a weak case. Ironically, the only person who stands to benefit from this situation is Trump.'

    EXACTLY!
     
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    Bragg is calling it a contribution, even if it was Trump's personal funds.

    Congress uses taxpayer money to pay hush money. If that isn't illegal, using campaign funds isn't either.
     
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    Trump didn't submit the documents to NYC. I love how everyone thinks Trump does his taxes, files his business paperwork, etc.. He doesn't. His employees do that. In any event, that's a misdemeanor with a two-year statute of limitations, and Bragg isn't going for a misdemeanor. He's going for a felony. And the felony charge is because he is trying to make the case that it was an illegal campaign contribution. The problem with Bragg's logic:

    1. That's a federal crime.
    2. A candidate is allowed to spend as much of their own money as they want on their personal campaigns.
    3. Paying Stormy Daniels for an NDA isn't necessarily a campaign expense since it protects Trump personally.
    4. Cohen is a bragger and told everyone around him that he took out a mortgage on his house and took care of it by himself. There are over 300 emails that attest to this. That's why the SDNY went after Cohen for the campaign contribution and successfully prosecuted him.
     
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    it's an illegal campaign contribution because he didn't declare it as a campaign contribution.

    Cohen lied thousands of times for Trump. Everything Cohen said on behalf of Trump can be assumed to be a lie.
     
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    It sounds like they need to go after his campaign managers...
     
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    Trump is responsible for ensuring that paperwork his accountant and lawyers submit is accurate.

    You can't just go to an accountant, lie to them, and blame them when you get accused of fraud.
     
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    It's a metaphor not an analysis.
    Anybody Soros funded and others like Soros funded is a wasp
    You can't implement anything. It's way above your pay grade. I don't try to change the world I just live in it.
     
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    You have to prove intent for this charge to stick. It's not a matter of "oops, my accountant messed up; now I'm criminally liable for their mistake." There are hundreds of thousands of line items in campaign expense reports. They have to prove Trump orchestrated it. But, Cohen bragged to everyone in his orbit at the time that he orchestrated it himself... as his attorney testified to earlier this week. Hundreds of emails show Cohen is lying. There's a reason the SDNY went after Cohen and not Trump. Also, campaigns forget to classify expenses properly all the time. 100% accuracy doesn't exist.
     
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    Yea, I agree, they have to prove intent. More importantly, the people doing the investigations understand that.

    We aren't on the Jury. You don't honestly that Trump never had criminal intent on the tax fraud or even the Stormy Daniels payment. I'm not saying you believe their is evidence to convict, but you do know that there was intent.

    Bragging that the criminal might get away with it, doesn't make it ok to support the criminal.
     

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