An atheist can blaspheme god

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    never said anything about the vast majority, the vast majority are not religious fanatics

    it's the religious fanatics that harms societies with religious rule, such as blasphemy and heresy laws to punish non-believers
     
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    Yeah? Tell me about a recent event 'harm' perpetrated by fanatical buddhists. I've met quite a few who fit that description, and they're actually the least likely of all buddhists, to do anything crazy. The more religious they get, the more gentle and peaceful they become.
     
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    probably will never know as they will never have the numbers or the power Christians and Muslims have that comes with such numbers - but they are humans, and could have members that go off the deep end too
     
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    Then again, anyone can go off the deep end. For all intent and purpose, murders in the USA have nothing to do with religion. Some might say that godlessness is the motivator.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yep, many are crimes of passion, or $$$ related

    most criminals are Christians, but only because that is how most raised here
     
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    Say what...anti Christian is Christian? That's like saying that bank robbery embodies the ethic of hard work. Come on. What's with the equivocation.
     
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    How can an atheist blaspheme someone (or thing) the atheist doesn't believe in? Oh, I get it, it's not blasphemous to the atheist but may be blasphemous to others.:roll:
     
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    FreshAir is an atheist.
     
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    Yes, that's generally how blasphemy works: it offends the person who hears it and follows the religion, not the one who speaks it and does not follow the religion. Not sure what the emoji was for. I thought most folks already grasped this.
     
  10. FreshAir

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    lol, Christians commit crime, just like any other group, if everyone is Christian, Christians create all the crime - heck Hitler was born and raised Christian, Christians supported Hitler cause they believed the Jews killed Jesus and of course they wanted a Christian nation
     
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    Well, I see where you are going.

    But, I would say that blasphemy is defined by the religious person.

    There is plenty of blasphemy and atheists aren't the ones defining it.
     
  12. Injeun

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    So to you, Disciples of Jesus Christ are robbing, raping, and murdering Americans? No offense, but that's an asinine proposal. They are in fact, irreligious, godless, faithless, disrespectful, wicked and lawless.
     
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    yep, Christians commit crimes too, fact..... even have Preachers molesting little girls and boys in the church
     
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    The list of American wars goes on and on and on.

    If Christians weren't in favor of those wars, there is NO possibility that they could have happened.

    That includes the slaughter against pretty much every single tribe of natives in the US, and numerous other countries around the world.

    You can excuse WWI and WWII, but there are tens of wars for which there is no legitimate excuse.

    We went to war against Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Cairo, Libya, Vietnam, and god knows what all well after WWII.

    We arm Israel and protect them from world opinion so they can slaughter Palestinians and steal their land.

    Look at the list of US wars on wiki.
     
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    That has nothing to do with crime in the streets. Every war the USA engages in has been for a good cause. Would you prefer lesser men to lead or perhaps you prefer to join with our nations and the free worlds enemies? It is the world into which we are born and do live.
     
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    You keep dwindling into greater pettiness. First it was the valiancy of Atheistic blaspheme of God and the danger of religion. Then it was, as it were, casting suspicion upon the third Christian cousin to a godless serial killer. Now it's ferreting out your own kind posing as Christians to cast aspersion upon the very concept of God. You have no place, point or foundation.....only lies. American freedom is based on God, not Atheism. And we do the best we can in this godless world. It isn't Christianity running amok in the streets. It is Atheism. And it's all a matter of free choice. Choosing evil does not reflect on good. It is antithetical to it, and estranged from it.
     
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    We had no legitimate grounds for attacking all the countries we conquered or attempted to conquer.

    Pitching those we chose to war against as "enemies" is not a justification.
     
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    Christians do bad things too, just a fact...

    we were fleeing a theocracy, why we will never allow one to form here

    America's secular laws is what allows us to be free, regardless what one believes
     
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  19. Injeun

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    Everyone does bad things. And no person or organization is perfect. But for all intent and purpose it isn't religious people committing crimes in America. They are non religious or irreligious. How hard is that to see.
     
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    Though America is largely a Christian nation, with our freedom being based on rights from God. Yet America doesn't have an official religion, as religious liberty allows for every faith. Consequently, we don't have religious wars or wars for the glory of the Church and State. It would be impossible as it would be a theocracy and a violation of our Constitution. It could be argued though that to fight for freedom is to fight for God or for mans God given rights. Every war in which our leaders engage is for reasons they outline. But we don't elect our leaders to impose our religions on the world. We elect them to run the country. Sometimes our wars are for self interest as against communism in Viet Nam. WW1 and 2. In Iraq and Afghanistan it was to ferret out the cancer of radical terrorism. We aid Israel. Elsewhere we aided the Muslims in Kosovo. And now we are aiding the Ukrainians because it seems like the right thing to do for them and to put a check on Putin's aggression. Not that the USA is saintly. But we are hardly ruthless theocrats or godless domineers(not much difference). So hopefully, in the end, God will close his eyes to our sins and imperfections, and have mercy on our nation and people. I am grateful to be an American.
     
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    actually it is, most people in US prisons are Christians... in a majority Muslim country it's mostly Muslims, etc....

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/234653/religious-affiliation-of-us-prisoners/
     
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    Prison stats by religion in the USA

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    That's cooked. People get religion in prison. That doesn't mean that religion gets them there. To say that because the majority of Americans identify as Christian, then that is reflected in crime is nonsense. Women are half the population and about seven percent of incarcerations. What part of Jesus Christs gospel teaches people to covet, steal, seek revenge, lust, rape, and murder? It is the abandonment of goodness that gets people in trouble. Not the practice of it. If I tell you to do right, and you do wrong. Is rightness then the cause of your doing wrong. The biggest cause of crime in America is Fatherless/Husbandless homes. That's due to the promiscuity of the people and the resultant out of wedlock births. You may as well blame God for the sins of mankind, along with your Parents for your own rebelliousness. Such a mentality is simply reprobate, in league with Satan. In fact, the practice of religion, whether Christian or other, makes one less likely to commit a crime.
     
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    We aid Israel in denying Palestinians the rights we believe in. We empower them to steal land, water rights, travel rights, rights to oil, etc. We help ensure that Israel rules Palestine with their military law in which the population has no contribution - yet we see representation as fundamental. We use our power to ensure that the various human rights branches of the UN are blocked from addressing atrocities perpetrated by Israel AND preventing a rational resolution.

    We attempted to conquer Vietnam with no valid goal in mind.

    We conquered Iraq with no stated reason for war. We took this issue away from the UNSC when they didn't give us the right of conquest. And, here in the US our leaders GROSSLY misrepresented the situation in their political attempt to sell the war. However, the final resolution, easily readable, requires the president to state why the war decision was made - but he did not.

    We conquered Afghanistan for the reason that we thought there was a criminal hiding out there. That's not a justification for the slaughter of war.

    We overthrew the government of Iran and installed a leader who was not chosen by the people.

    We warred against every native peoples of America, slaughtering large numbers and herding others to "reservations" too small to support them. Then, we stole much of those reservations.

    I could go on and on with wars we waged that were NOT for our own protection and didn't have a valid justification.

    We are a Christian majority country by a WIDE margin. Our leaders in all these things professed Christianity and had advisers and congress that were majority Christian by far.
     
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    That's your biased opinion.
     

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