Another left wing claim against Ivermectin bites the dust.

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No!!!!

    Your claim was "drugs that have been proven to alleviate the death-causing effects of covid inflammation."

    Show a study proving that this drug alleviates inflamation by covid in humans. You can also retract, which appears to be the most

    Again, your statement was " Every covid vaccine available has not been approved" They HAVE!!!!

    And one more time, the civil thing to do would be to retract your statement. Clearly and unequivocally. Not just move the goalposts. ALL vaccines have been APPROVED. Do you not realize that your loose and inaccurate language is costing human lives? I know that right-wing media uses this language as a political tool. But people DIE!
     
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  2. The Mello Guy

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    Source?can you post that quote? Happy to admit I’m wrong
     
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    These same Leftists would write responses against the Sun being hot, if they thought it forwarded their agenda. It's so ridiculous anymore that it's either pure trolling or delusion.

    We have the retraction direct from Rolling Stone that started this nonsense, just as they did with the rapes stories, attacks on males, etc. They just make crap up for Leftists like these to believe and repeat.
     
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    Because leftist started out claiming they couldn't be trusted. Because TRUMP..
    These vaccines are of an entity new class called mRNA. There is no track record for such and the incident site is filling up faster than Small boat in a hurricane and while few of them are fatal a lot of them carry life tearing consequences especially for young adults and those who have already had covid.

    Me I've had both shots of Moderna. The first was about like a flu a little injection site pain that was gone in less than an hour. The second left me feeling funky for about about a day and a half. I won't be taking a third.

    On top of that evidence out if Israel among other places suggest that the vaccine's efficacy is of relatively short duration, and it seems in the main to kill those who are already at deaths door, or those with a compromised immune system. Ie if you are taking a drug and there are several of whose side effects are a weakening of the bodies ability to fight of diseases you might want to discuss alternatives with your doctor or pharmacist.
     
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    Quote him saying it was this hospital and I’ll gladly say i was wrong and agree with you
     
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    Waiting with you. This doctor or hospital isn't pinging any memories for me.
     
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    I don’t think he named a hospital. But if he did I’ll happily say I was wrong. Think they’ll do they same if they can’t provide the quote?
     
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    Wrong humans have already been taking it for decades for other things.
     
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    It's in the screenshot in the OP.

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    I'm going to take the 5th on this one. ;-)
     
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    That’s from the denial statement of one place, he never mentioned them and worked at other ERs from what I’ve read
     
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    The claim is that it’s unsafe because people are taking the livestock version. Two related leftist campaigns trying to confuse the issue have now been proven false. Not merely “something posted on the internet”, but from Rolling Stone and the AP. Wow.

    This thread isn’t really a debate about whether Ivermectin is effective for COVID treatment. That science is still out and there are some studies saying yes and a couple saying no.

    It’s about the leftist smear campaign against it that’s just so bizarrely dishonest and stupid that it’s a head scratcher.

    The “miracle medicine” Fauci is pushing failed - literally failed a trial against a disease that also wasn’t COVID, and actually killed one of the people in the trial. And Fauci is participating in this weird campaign against Ivermectin, which has actually spurred the use of the livestock version here and there, because he’s made it much harder to get.

    Ivermectin is cheap. Remmes I it is novel, unproven really for anything, and is expensive. Would be sad to find out Fauci’s motivation for pushing it and limiting other drugs is based solely on money. Because his actions are killing people.
     
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    The idea is that if and when you get Covid, you have a much lower chance of ending up in the ICU and racking up a couple
    hundred thousand in medical bills (that maybe your family gets to pay cause your dead).

    It's like having that concealed gun you carry - you may not ever need it, you may still still get shot by a criminal even with it,
    but you may be reducing your chances of dying with it. If you don't believe in reducing risk of death by .00001%, why carry the gun?
     
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    You keep making things up as you go. Why wouldn’t you want a cheap and effective treatment available?
     
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    The vaccines are not risk-free and now it looks like boosters will be recommended at regular intervals. Israel is already considering a 4th injection.

    The known risks are primarily blood clots and heart inflammation. Though we are assured that these risks are "rare" and "generally mild" in nature, it's a no-brainer that the more times one gets the vaccine, the higher the risk of an adverse reaction.

    COVID will not be beaten here until it is beaten everywhere. We are not going to vaccinate our way out of this. Ivermectin has shown promise in real world use, especially as a preventative. There's an interesting study from India, where it was given to health care workers.

    https://www.cureus.com/articles/648...onavirus-2-infection-among-healthcare-workers
     
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    I honestly don't even know what uproar over the original story is. I haven't seen it or I don't recall seeing it here and I search by "new posts" so I see everything in reverse chronological order. Do you recall anything like that? OP mentions the uproar but there's no clues to where that's posted.
     
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    Japan has approved Ivermectin as a treatment for Covid.
     
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    Where does he mention this hospital?


    This week, Dr. Jason McElyea told KFOR the overdoses are causing backlogs in rural hospitals, leaving both beds and ambulance services scarce.

    “The ERs are so backed up that gunshot victims were having hard times getting to facilities where they can get definitive care and be treated,” McElyea said.

    “All of their ambulances are stuck at the hospital waiting for a bed to open so they can take the patient in and they don’t have any, that’s it,” said McElyea. “If there’s no ambulance to take the call, there’s no ambulance to come to the call.”
     
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    Here is the original story
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ro...rmectin-oklahoma-hospitals-covid-1220608/amp/
     
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    I pointed to a specific article. Yes, that specific article was a lie. Not difficult to understand. In fact, makes us wonder how many of the other Ivermectin scare stories are true, too.
     
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    What article? Because the rolling stone one doesn’t mention any specific hospital except the one who said they’re not turning people away.
     
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    From one of the articles he helped spawn:

    Dr. McElyea said patients are packing his eastern and southeastern Oklahoma hospitals after taking ivermectin doses meant for a full-sized horse, because they believed false claims the horse de-wormer could fight COVID-19. “The ERs are so backed up that gunshot victims were having hard times getting to facilities where they can get definitive care and be treated,” he said.
    https://kfor.com/news/local/patient...cking-up-rural-oklahoma-hospitals-ambulances/

    But he hasn't worked there in months, and his hospital (where he previously worked) said this wasn't the case.
     
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    OK then, which hospitals are turning away people?
     
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    And Rolling Stone had to "update" their story, lol.

    From their original article:
    This week, Dr. Jason McElyea told KFOR the overdoses are causing backlogs in rural hospitals, leaving both beds and ambulance services scarce.

    “The ERs are so backed up that gunshot victims were having hard times getting to facilities where they can get definitive care and be treated,” McElyea said.

    “All of their ambulances are stuck at the hospital waiting for a bed to open so they can take the patient in and they don’t have any, that’s it,” said McElyea. “If there’s no ambulance to take the call, there’s no ambulance to come to the call.”

    And their "update":
    Update: One hospital has denied Dr. Jason McElyea’s claim that ivermectin overdoses are causing emergency room backlogs and delays in medical care in rural Oklahoma, and Rolling Stone has been unable to independently verify any such cases as of the time of this update.
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...-ivermectin-oklahoma-hospitals-covid-1220608/

    So, they latched onto that one sub story and didn't bother to verify the claims.
     
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    But he works in other ones.
     
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    from the RS article
    Dr. McElyea said patients are packing his eastern and southeastern Oklahoma hospitals after taking ivermectin

    read that again his eastern and southeastern Oklahoma hospitals
    as in the one he falsely claimed he works at
     
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