Anti-Vaccination activists - death by ignorance!

And the whole field of virology itself is based on the unestablished premise that “viruses” actually exist, they don't.

 

Some vaccines are proven effective. Others are a placebo at best. Hell, the flu vaccine is nothing more than a guess and it has a HORRIBLE efficacy rating. Does that stop the drones from lining up to get a flu shot? Nope....they dont even bother questioning it.

 

Heres the truth. I have both done it myself and seen others do it...post evidence that CLEARLY proves points, only to have mindless leftists say 'nu UH!!!' or "Fox NEWS!!! FOX NEWS!!!" or the more likely response which is to ignore it, run from the conversation, and then resurface in a similar discussion spewing the same mindless **** even after having the facts presented. You have neither the grace nor integrity to admit you are wrong. I KNOW you 'people'...so why would I waste my time presenting evidence I KNOW you will ignore?

 

What you have outlined above will never convince these people as they bow down to the alter of govern-ment trust institutions.

Govern: to exercise continuous sovereign authority over.

Ment: Inherited from Old Catalan ment, from Latin mentem (“mind”), from Proto-Indo-European *méntis (“thought”).

 

It is the height of stupidity to call Dr Robert Maxwell...a ****ing chemical superfreak, a decorated scientist and virologist...a man that is one of the most positive advocates of effective vaccines in history...an 'anti-vaxxer' because he didnt mindlessly buy into the leftist rhetoric regarding the use of mRNA technologies in developing the COVID vaccine....yet....


there you are.........

 

Dr. Fauci on the 6 foot rule: “It sort of just appeared. I don't recall, like, a discussion of whether it should be 5 (feet) or 6 (feet) or whatever.”

He later says the decision was empiric, which is a medical term meaning a determination based on observation and experiences rather than data.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ot-social-distancing-rule-made-up/ar-BB1nPL3k

Which was all just bullshit.
https://www.businessinsider.com/soc...le-indoors-mit-study-huge-caveats-2021-4?op=1
https://www.news.com.au/technology/...s/news-story/f6e782b07e736fc7042e541317a4c346

"The six feet rule was arbitrary in and of itself," he told interviewer Margaret Brennan. "Nobody knows where it came from. Most people assume that the six feet of distance, the recommendation for keeping six feet apart, comes out of some old studies related to flu, where droplets don't travel more than six feet," he added.
https://www.businessinsider.com/former-fda-commissioner-says-6-feet-rule-arbitrary-2021-9?op=1

But you swallowed...didnt you.

 

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih...covid-19-hospitalizations-due-four-conditions
"A study estimated that nearly two-thirds of COVID-19 hospitalizations in the U.S. could be attributed to obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and heart failure."
"The researchers estimated that more than 900,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred through November 2020. Based on their model, 30% of these hospitalizations were attributable to obesity, 26% to hypertension, 21% to diabetes, and 12% to heart failure. These people would still have been infected with COVID-19, but likely would not have been sick enough to need hospitalization."

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/coronavirus-deaths-older-adults.html
"95 percent of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. have occurred among people who were 50 or older. This even though the majority of coronavirus cases have been reported in people under age 50.
The unnerving numbers don't end there. About 8 in 10 deaths have been among people 65 and older, according to the latest demographic data available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Overall, in just a matter of months, the coronavirus has infected 9 million Americans and killed more than 229,000."

Elderly people...people with multiple co-morbid ailments. MOST of them vaccinated as soon as the vaccines were available. Still dead...not from COVID but from their preexisting state.

 

Marcus Lamb, anti-vaccine Christian broadcaster dies after Covid battle (nbcnews.com)
Marcus Lamb, a co-founder and the CEO of the conservative Christian Daystar Television Network who vocally opposed Covid-19 vaccines, has died at 64, weeks after he contracted Covid-19, the network said.

“It's with a heavy heart we announce that Marcus Lamb, president and founder of Daystar Television Network, went home to be with the Lord this morning," the network said a tweet Tuesday. "The family asks that their privacy be respected as they grieve this difficult loss. Please continue to lift them up in prayer."

"Pray specifically for his lungs to clear the Covid pneumonia and pray for his oxygen level to continue to be strong and to go up so that we can wean him off of oxygen and bring him home," she said. Jonathan Lamb described his father's Covid infection as "a spiritual attack from the enemy" to "take down" Marcus Lamb.

The network has dedicated hours of broadcasts to anti-lockdown and anti-vaccination activists and groups.

 

How many jabs have you had? Be honest....

 

"By April 2022, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data show that about 6 in 10 adults dying of COVID-19 were vaccinated or boosted, and that’s remained true through at least August 2022 (the most recent month of data)."
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/why-do-vaccinated-people-represent-most-covid-19-deaths-right-now/

 

Highlights

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  We found that 73.9% of deaths were directly due to or significantly contributed to by COVID-19 vaccination.
  
  
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  Our data suggest a high likelihood of a causal link between COVID-19 vaccination and death.
  
  
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  These findings indicate the urgent need to elucidate the pathophysiologic mechanisms of death with the goal of risk stratification and avoidance of death for the large numbers of individuals who have taken or will receive one or more COVID-19 vaccines in the future.
  
  
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  This review helps provide the medical and forensic community a better understanding of COVID-19 vaccine fatal adverse events.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0379073824001968

Healthy people...dropping dead...with direct causual link to the COVID vaccines. Just like scientists and virologists WARNED would happen.

 

Surgical masks are not perfect but are effective at reducing the transmission of COVID-19 and any amount of insults and rudeness does not negate that fact.

Surgeons wear them, as stated, to avoid contaminating surgical sites by breathing germs into open wounds and dentists and dental hygienists wear them to protect the patient which means they have value at stopping the transmission of viruses via respiratory droplets.

A large study found that wearing surgical masks in community settings significantly reduced the occurrence of Covid-19. — https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-masks-covid-19.html?microsite=news&tab=news

As a medical professional, it is obvious to me that working in close proximity of people infected with covid, it is best to use the more effective N95. A surgical mask was fine for those who were maintaining social distancing while shopping etc, especially if everybody was wearing a surgical masks. Even wearing a surgical mask decreases the amount of viral particles in the air. Maintaining the suggested the social distance decreased the chance of breathing in a large number of particles.

Think about it in a scenario where one person is infected and the other isn’t.

-If both are not wearing masks and standing close together talking, the uninfected person has the biggest chance of getting infected.
-If both are wearing surgical masks while standing close together, the uninfected person has a 60 to 70 percent chance of not getting infected.
-If both people are wearing surgical masks and social distancing, the uninfected person has the least chance of being infected.

It’s not an all or one situation as nothing works 100 percent of the time. The point was to minimize the risk of catching/transferring the virus during the pandemic. Masks and social distancing were good measures to institute.

Of course nobody is disputing that respirators like N95 masks are even better at providing higher levels of protection.

Logically, which is better during a pandemic when there is asymptomatic infection. Standing very close to people or maintaining a distance which can assist in minimizing transmission?
I would say standing further away — obviously. Is that bullshit? Sometimes common sense is enough. How many studies were done to show people you can die in a car accident without wearing a seatbelt. None — because it’s obvious and common sense.

How far and to what extent covid-19 droplets spread is not a static thing. There is outside vs inside; good ventilation vs poor ventilation, masked or unmasked, whether an unmasked person is shouting, talking, coughing etc.

Why quibble about this — for every single respiratory virus, more distance away from an infected person means less of a chance of transmission? When one is wearing a surgical mask there is even less chance of transmission.

Most, if not all countries implemented social distancing measures to some degree. So, it wasn’t just Fauci who suggested it. The WHO recommended 1 meter which was adopted by China, Denmark, France, Hong Kong, Lithuania and Singapore. Countries like Austria, Switzerland, and the Netherlands, implemented social distancing measures only after experiencing significant rises in COVID-19 cases. Combined with other measures, social distancing helped to decrease transmission. Only a really stupid person would stand a few inches away with no mask from a person with Covid as they are quite likely to breathe in enough of a load of the virus to become infected. The chances of infection naturally decrease the further you are away from an infected. You seem to be stuck in denying helpful covid measures.

Don’t bother answering my questions as they were rhetorical. Most of what you have said is exaggerated or misinformation or based on lack of understanding.

The world learned a lot from the pandemic and will be in a better position to act faster and have the population use effective masks, social distance, and get vaccinated asap. Of course those who think they know more than researchers, doctors and so on will put the population at risk and help to spread the transmission of whatever virus is causing the next pandemic.

The logic lies in the fact that wearing a mask cuts down transmission as does social distancing. Getting vaccinated will decrease the chance of getting serious, life threatening symptoms. It’s simple. It’s unfortunate that you swallowed the wrong information.

 

Dood...we have known that surgical masks are worthless as a defense against airborne particulate since they were first invented. I worked in ER and ICUs for 6 years. Do you think when a suspicion of an airborne illness was present that everyone still went into those rooms with surgical masks?

You want to see just how ineffective they are, put one on and go near the smoke from a fire. If you can smell smoke you are inhaling particulate that is much LARGER than viral particulate. Hell...stand next to someone that farts. If you can smell gas...and you can...then that SHOULD speak volumes to you.

Faucie stated...the WHO stated...surgical masks were ineffective against COVID. Then they decided they needed some rules to impose controls on people...and suddenly you had to wear masks. We had an ARMY of women and teens bvuying new sewing machines and clothe and burning them down making masks that did NOTHING. You couldnt leave your house. You couldnt go play in the park...LITERALLY THE BEST ****ING THING PEOPLE COULD HAVE DONE...and if you did you were arrested. You had to adhere to social distancing standards that were a farce. Businesses were forced to spend BILLIONS on the most idiotic placebos imaginable.

It was all a ****ing lie. Stop defending the lie and wake the **** up because they WILL try to pull this **** again at some point and people like you are telling them "it wi9ll work again".

 

Yes, and I don't think I want to see one.

 

Really?

 

Well, you've got to love the Covid batshit-by-numbers. Every single off-topic post, spammed here there and everywhere and debunked to death. Does this person think this crap is original? It's ridiculous how they think they are posting new stuff.

We've got anti-mask, antivax, anti-social distancing, ad-hominems and the ludicrous "I'm not antivax" as we get one antivax post after another. We've had the totally moronic "viruses don't exist" and the customary "liking" of each other's posts. The very act of sowing doubt about COVID-19 vaccinations is causing the easily-led to doubt other vaccines.

What next? Anything actually on topic?

 

Dear virus believers, read The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas S. Kuhn!

Side Note:

The unrest is growing. People are slowly learning they have been taken for idiots.

Unjabbed and I'll live longer without "dangerous and unproven" invasive medical interference mimicking a Hollywood script from a SciFi movie.

My wife and I, and our 3 children, never got the FAKE'd covid or even the so called flu.

We're still waiting to get it....

 

You really really don’t. Last time I cut my foot on glass the FIRST thing I said in the doctors office was “my Tetmus needs an update!”

 

Kuhn? The guy who died in 1996? You know BEFORE social media was really a “thing”? Before the scientific community was truly international? The guy who as been misquoted more often than Shakespeare?

 

Do you understand statistics?

The total percentage of US vaccinated is 80%. So 20% unvaccinated accounts for 40% of the total! If you don't see how that is somewhat of a blindingly obvious debunk of your claim, then you're in denial, or as I suspect don't understand simple statistics.

To get the real ratio:
Multiply 80 to make 100 requires a factor of 1.25
Multiply 20 to make 100 requires a factor of 5

Then multiply percentage of deaths by that factor:
60(%) * 1.25 = 75
40(%) * 5 = 200

Convert back to percentage:
75 out of 275 = 27.7% of deaths are vaccinated.
200 out of 75 = 72.3% of deaths are unvaccinated.

You have to shake your head in awe at a user claiming viruses don't exist, "liking" this quoted post about the "skill" of a damn VIROLOGIST!

 

Oh! Crap! What a load of…….

You DO realise that “smoke smell” is independent of particulate matter don’t you?

 

LOL

I literally posted the videos of Fauci lying. There are videos of WHO officials declaring that surgical masks arent effective against viral transmission. I posted CDC and OSHA guidance.

You are exactly what they know you will be.

 

You have to shake your head in awe at rando internet nobody blathering on ignoring research and facts in journals. Please...post your peer review published work ...and hey mocking virologists that are leading the field in the development of mRNA technologies...you have no room to talk.

 

Do you seriously think you are posting anything new? Not one thing you have off-topic spammed in this thread has not already been discussed a dozen times!

I love the way you completely ignored the adjusted statistics. Three quarters of all unvaccinated account for all the total deaths.

 

I am not saying that I am saying that the chemicals responsible for eliciting a smoke smell are NOT larger than viruses. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/209...n of the,or alkylated phenols and naphthalene.

Now if and I reiterate IF you had any real knowledge in relation to the use of masks you would realise that spread of viruses does not rely on free floating viruses alone and you ALSO have to factor in “environmental viral load” I.e. it may not stop all transmission but if it lowers the amount of virus transmitted that in and of itself can be extremely effective and be the difference between developing a subclinical infection and a life threatening illness
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(23)00101-5/fulltext
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s13662-021-03265-4
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsta.2023.0133
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014564118
Mayo clinic
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

plus deposition of at least a proportion of the viral load on the face mask of the wearer does reduce the environmental viral load - particularly important in a disease that can be asymptomatic
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1198743X2200369X
https://journals.lww.com/jrms/fullt...e_can_suppress.84.aspx?context=latestarticles
Feel free to critique the research papers above and we can continue this conversation on an academic level