Are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's grandchildren: Palestinians?????

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Could the Palestinians be largely the grandchildren of the first century Messianic Jewish community?

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  1. DennisTate

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    Yes.... and there is another fascinating aspect of this entire situation. Mr. Tsvi Misinai heads up an organization that has evidence that the bulk of the Palestinians may well be descended from Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, James, and the one hundred and twenty who met together that famous Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was poured out. You see........ the Messianic Jews of the second century DID NOT join in the Bar Kochba Revolt and thus....... WERE NOT expelled from the Holy Land when the Bar Kochba Revolt was crushed. Their great, great, great, great grandchildren were given the choice to either become Muslims.... or die..... so they became Muslims. Now they are being pressured to shoot rockets at the Rabbinic Jewish community..... due to a misunderstanding from way back in the first century.. .... You may find this to be rather astonishing....... but the Rabbi's who rejected John the Baptist and Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus taught that any husband could divorce his wife for many, many, many reasons....... whereas both John the Baptist and Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus had rather tough teachings on divorce......... This was a major reason as to why the Messianic Jewish community eventually separated from the Rabbinic Jewish community................... Things really came to a head during the time of Rabbi Akiva and the Bar Kochba Revolt!!!!!



    Are the Palestinians the Jews NOT expelled from Judaea after Bar Kochba Revolt?


    Sid Roth....

     
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    Here is another intriguing question.......
    was the pacifism of the Messianic Jewish community during the second century somewhat exaggerated......
    due to Messianic Jews not fully understanding what was probably meant by some of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus questions and statements????????



    Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?

    Here is the Book of Machabees chapter two so that you can get the entire context of this question.


    https://www.drbo.org/chapter/45002.htm


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    Is it lawful, even on the Sabbath, to kill an evil doer?
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    One of the positive results of this information becoming common knowledge would be that Christians, Jews and Muslims would pray about the Israeli - Palestinian conflict differently........

    Muslims do study the Christian scriptures at least enough in order to be able to debate with Christians and so.......

    ... they would know that there is no way that the original Messianic Jewish community of the first and second century would approve of their great, great, great... grandchildren shooting rockets at
    the Rabbinic Jewish communities who are still observing the laws of Moses......
    because the original Messianic Jewish community was noted for being zealous toward the law of Moses as well.

    Acts 21:20 New International Version (NIV ")When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law."



    and..... Muslims should know better than to take advice from Atheists......





    Many extreme Atheists.... love to see Muslims, Christians and Jews fighting with each other!!!!!

    Especially while they ignore important ideas in their own sacred writings!!!!

     
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    If it were not for a book by near death experiencer Robert Mendelson I would never have imagined that the Koran has some powerful admonitions that could play a huge role in bringing Shalom to the Holy Land.


    Now you know some more of the reasoning as to why I would begin this other discussion:

    The Tate Plan for Shalom in the Middle East!
     
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    I don't know. It is my understanding that the numbers of Jews and Palestinians who have always inhabited that land is very small. And that the vast majority of todays so called Palestinians are the offspring of people from all over the middle east, who came to the area as migrant workers at the turn of the last century, and stayed. They (the great majority) aren't and never have been indigenous. As a causal observer from the other side of the earth, it seems to me to be a hellish situation to be born into, with all the animosity and the combative, dominating nature of Islam.
     
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    Luke was a Greek I believe.
     
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    True.... he was... but if he had children and grandchildren then by the time of the Bar Kochba Revolt those grandchildren would be a part of the roughly four hundred thousand Messianic Jews....
    who did not join in the Bar Kochba Revolt... and thus were not expelled from the Holy Land when that revolt was crushed by Rome.

    That is what I also thought for decades......
    so once I realized the possible connection between the Palestinians with the first and second century Messianic Jewish community.......
    I began to pray for the Palestinians very differently........

    There is a prophecy from the Roman Catholic Bible that is very relevant to this theory that has a lot of evidence that backs it up.....

    https://www.drbo.org/chapter/26048.htm

     
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    Mr. Scott Alexander Carroll brings up a major reason as to why the Rabbinic Jewish community eventually completely separated from the Messianic Jewish community who followed Rabbi Yeshua :

     
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    Yes.... and Orthodox Jewish scholar and historian traces groups from the Tribe of Dan to Greece......
    I believe that the range of choices ahead of us humans is far, far, far, far, far, far greater than we tend to imagine.....
    but Multiverse Theory as explained in the Marvel movies......
    ... does hint at how powerful the range of choices available to us humans actually is!!!!



    https://britam.org/dan2.html




    The Philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory?


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...iversal-models.400055/page-13#post-1065341007


     
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    Absolutely not.
    Palestinians are from Philistines.

    Not greeks.
     
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    That is what I thought for a long time myself and then I read an article by a man named Haider....
    that is a lot like the following.....
    and I started thinking.......

    Rumour has it that Rabbi Akiva stated that as soon as the Romans were kicked out..... then
    afterward his followers must kick out the Messianic Jewish community........
    his approach may not have been the wisest decision that he could have made...and.... it seems to have somewhat backfired.........
    ....
    he might have been wiser to look into what all may have been meant by that question by Rabbi Yeshua.....

    "And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace." [Mark 3:4}


    https://www.jpost.com/magazine/features/the-lost-palestinian-jews



    The subtitles in this video are in English.....


    Palestinians of Jewish Origin higher resolution

    I also think that it is interesting that... in my opinion at the least... .somebody has risen up in Israel who is a teacher who can be compared with John the Baptist or even with Rabbi Yeshua in many ways..... the man is brilliant.... and his near death experience account is getting Jews, Christians and Muslims ... not to mention Atheists and Agnostics to rethink how they approach life.....

    https://www.alonanava.com




    I think that it is time for me to explain clearly and plainly what I meant here......
    .....

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...om-in-the-middle-east.614114/#post-1074478859




    Rabbi Alon Anava's NDE itself reminds me of Matthew chapter four... and the simplicity of his teachings since his 2001 brush with death... remind me of the basic Judaism expressed in Matthew chapters five, six and seven........ The Sermon on the Mount.... In my opinion.... Ezekiel chapter thirty seven is coming to pass.. the stick of Joseph is being twisted together with the stick of Judah.....
     
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    Ezekiel chapte thirty seven.....

    16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

    17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

    18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

    19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

    20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

    21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

    22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

    23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

    24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

    25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

    26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.


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    And now to really challenge all of you.......
    and offend many of you.....


    https://britam.org/messiah.html

    This may seem unrelated......
    but we are facing a possible Bear Market.....

    Can Israel pull the entire world economy out of a possible Bear Market, another 1929?




    The Christian Political Cyrus / The Audition and President Donald J. Trump.
     
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    Dennis, they sure didn't teach me in Bible study when I was a kid that the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and killed everyone there about 50 years after Jesus came. That was a big gap in knowledge to have when I left the 1st-century Christians in the hands of the Romans when I decided to move towards the past while I was playing with multi-verses and history with AboveAlpha.
     
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    No....
    they sure did not tell us about the sheer horror of the events of that time period....

    Doom of Capernaum Fall of Galilee in 67 AD (audio on youtube)


    Matthew 11:23
    "You, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, you will go down to Hades. For if the mighty works had been done in Sodom which were done in you, it would have remained until this day."


    There are consequences for ignoring the truth... when the truth is told to us......


     
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    Palestinians are mainly Egyptians, Syrians and Jordanians who immigrated into the area in the last 100 years.
     
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    The word Palestine derives from Philistia, the name given by Greek writers to the land of the Philistines, who in the 12th century bce occupied a small pocket of land on the southern coast, between modern Tel Aviv–Yafo and Gaza. The name was revived by the Romans in the 2nd century ce in “Syria Palaestina,” designating the southern portion of the province of Syria,

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    From 1900 to 1948
    In the last years of the 19th century and the early years of the 20th, the Palestinian Arabs shared in a general Arab renaissance. Palestinians found opportunities in the service of the Ottoman Empire, and Palestinian deputies sat in the Ottoman parliaments of 1877, 1908, 1912, and 1914. Several Arabic newspapers appeared in the country before 1914. Their pages reveal that Arab nationalism and opposition to Zionism were strong among some sections of the intelligentsia even before World War I. The Arabs sought an end to Jewish immigration and to land purchases by Zionists. The number of Zionist colonies, however, mostly subsidized by the French philanthropist Edmond, baron de Rothschild, rose from 19 in 1900 to 47 in 1918, even though the majority of the Jews were town dwellers. The population of Palestine, predominantly agricultural, was about 690,000 in 1914 (535,000 Muslims; 70,000 Christians, most of whom were Arabs; and 85,000 Jews).

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine

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    I don't see anything related to your claim.
     
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    That is actually true but......
    the genetic research that Tsvi Misinai and others have done does not lie.......

    The Messianic Jewish community of the second century was NOT expelled from the Holy Land after the Bar Kochba Revolt was crushed.......

    but... they were forced to become Muslim centuries later and yes.....
    then they migrated to Egypt and other Islamic nations but......
    they also felt a pull to return to their ancestral land once the Jews returned and got the economy of the Holy Land going again.


    https://www.jpost.com/jerusalem-report/article-700904


     
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    Yeah, you are right. I said that without looking it up and sure enough you are right. The Wikipedia article on immigration in Palestine clearly shows I am wrong too.

    Apologies ladies and gentlemen.
    Also, I heard that Palestine was named Palestine by the Romans after 70 CE because the fight that the Romans had to give to destroy the temple was frustrating so they named it Palestine to insult the Jews.
    I have to check that statement out too.
     
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    These are all good points......
    these are all important pieces of the puzzle.....

    but none of this negates the research that Mr. Tsvi Misinai is doing that indicates that a high percentage of the residents of the Palestine territories do have some sort of genetic link to the lost tribes of Israel......
    .....
    For example..... of King Solomon's seven hundred wives and three hundred concubines......

    how many of them had many children........ or at least one child???????????


    King Solomon did take wives from the surrounding nations.....
    we know that because it is stated plainly in the Jewish Bible that those foreign wives led him into trouble......

    You will find this interesting..... this is from Mr. Scott Carroll's wife


    I am now going to take all of you to a modern writing.....
    done in 1995... [I think]... that also miraculously shows
    a meeting with a deceased saint and prolific Christian writer whose writings have
    mentored many in the church over the centuries since the time in which they wrote......


    Could the brilliant Christian writer of The Final Quest been Thomas Aquinas?







     
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    More than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors.
    But that's not surprising, since Muslim Arabs recognize that they descend from Abraham through Ishmael, rather than Isaac like the Jews.

    The fact that Jews currently in Israel are closer genetically to Palestinians than to Europe is also not surprising, given that they are both considered to be within the group of Semitic peoples.
    " The closest genetic relatives of the Middle Eastern Jews are Druze, Bedouin and Palestinians. The closest genetic relatives of the European group of Jews are Northern Italians, followed by Sardinians and French."
     
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    Yes...
    very true......

    This question is rather complex...
    and here is another very different approach to all of this.

    https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-...OZMy3zQkbuUR8EMtg0jY8oV67qr3CS6vvMl5cczVcgHBY


    JESUS A PALESTINIAN?!

    Although this article makes good points....
    this does not rule out the fact that the Messianic Jewish community of 132 to 135 C. E. DID NOT JOIN IN THE BAR KOCHBA Revolt... and thus WERE NOT Expelled from the Roman Province of Judaea when that rebellion was crushed...........

    Nor does this negate the fact that the great, great, great, great grandchildren of Messianic Jews and Christians all over the Middle East were forced to become Muslims.... .or die.......
     
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    Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not even their real names, those were just to make them sound more English
     
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    True..... so how about Matias... Marcus..... Lucas...and Yohannan????

    But of course I mean all 120 who were there for the Day of Pentecost in Acts chapter two.....

    as well as a high percentage of the 3000 and then the 5000 who became the core of the Messianic Jewish movement of the time of the First Century church.
     
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    One thing that I do know for certain.....
    is that BigMedia is setting up all nine point four million Israelis.......

    and all Palestinians.....

    to play out the role of SACRIFICIAL PAWNS.....
    in their larger plans.........

    so by going against BigMedia......

    it could be amazing how much positive progress could be made rather quickly.....

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    at least in theory??????!!!!!


    In my opinion......
    Mr. Robert Mendelson could be termed "a TRUE ISLAMIC THEOLOGIAN".....
    IN MY OPINION....HE QUOTES THE KORAN FAR MORE ACCURATELY......

    THAN THE FAMOUS SUPPOSED ISLAMIC THEOLOGIANS......
    who are very likely really ACTORS PLAYING THE ROLE OF MUSLIMS......

    but a True Islamic theologian will look at these Sura's very seriously........

    and I believe will tend to realize that that there is something terribly OFF in what
    BigMedia is putting out regarding the Israeli - Palestinian Conflict!!!!



    IN MY OPINION... IF PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU REALLY WANTED TO
    BEING TO BRING SHALOM TO THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST.......
    THEN THE NEXT TIME THAT HE VISISTS THE USA OR CANADA.... HE SHOULD CONSIDER AVOIDING SPEAKING WITH
    THE COLD BLOODED REPTILES IN THE WASHINGTON OR OTTAWA SWAMPS.... AND INSTEAD SHOULD SPEAK
    WITH A NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE AND A PROPHET WHO LIVES IN DELAWARE..........

    .... ROBERT MENDELSON WRITES AND SPEAKS LIKE SOMEBODY WHO HAS MUTIPLE DOCTORAL DEGREES....
    BUT HE AND I LOOK AT THE WORLD VERY VERY DIFFERENTLY......
    AND WHEN WE TALK ON THE PHONE WE TEND TO MAKE EACH OTHER RATHER ANGRY.......
    ....
    largely because Mr. Robert Mendelson is very far left politically and I was given my intellectual foundation by
    somebody who met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decades before he got into politics......
    Messianic Jewish theologian Garner Ted Armstrong........

    who got me obsessed with hidden meaning in every word in the Law and in the Prophets!!!!!

    "The Tate Plan for Shalom in the Middle East! "

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...the-middle-east.614114/page-2#post-1074567762
     
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    A discussion is beginning related to this topic.......
    so far mostly it is on LinkedIn ..... but to a degree it is also on Facebook......

    https://www.facebook.com/GinoDiCaprio


     

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