Are these cops good guys or bad guys?

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Are these cops good guys or bad guys

  1. They're Good Guys

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  1. ryobi

    ryobi Well-Known Member

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    Are these police the good guys?


    In the United States, at the academy, the police are indoctrinated to believe they’re the good guys and everyone else are the bad guys, particularly the poor.


    Are these police good guys?


    Planting evidence


    Physically assaulting a 17 year old girl


    Physically assaulting a disabled man.


    Lying


    Is that what the good guys do?


     
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  2. Coachac

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    You have obviously made up your mind that all cops are bad.

    I don’t buy your premise that they are taught to be bad right out of the academy. Sure there are some bad apples like in every profession, Cops do a tough at times thankless job. We would be in a much worse world without them.
     
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    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    I scrolled right past the OP. Did not read a word or watch the clip. I know that the cops are 'bad' because I know those are the only cops its author likes to post about. If you have an agenda, its not long before we all know what it is. ryobi, throw us a curve ball once in a while, find something nice to say about those authoriarian power hungry pigs. We like to be kept guessing.
     
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  4. ryobi

    ryobi Well-Known Member

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    Something is wrong when the citizens of a country are more afraid of the police than they are the criminals.
     
  5. TheKeefer

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    Nonsense.

    Do you have any resources outside of opinion pieces to back your statement?
     
  6. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sadly there are many bad cops out there.... good cops need to protect us from them
     
  7. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    get it from a previous cop.... he often talks about what he was taught and how that needs to change

    https://www.youtube.com/@WeThePeopleUniversity
     
  8. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    agree, bad cops are giving good cops a bad name

    "COPS Arrested A Disabled Man For Attempting To Buy A Bicycle."



     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I could cherry pick videos of cops being kind. Besides not being very compelling viewing what would that prove? They are all good?
    I have known a lot of policeman over the years. In the old days a high school education was enough and military service was even better. Vetting? Not so much. Training varied widely before they put a gun in their hand and put them on the street.
    Things have improved greatly. The cops today are smarter, better trained and more professional. But unlike nursing, paramedics or firefighters there are no national certification standards. So training still varies. They are also put on runs where a social worker would be more appropriate, something they are not trained to do, which may exacerbate the situation.
     
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    agree, but the bad apples always stick out, if we saw the bad apples always get punished when caught on video, it would help

    most of the time, a paid vacation is the punishment...
     
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  11. ryobi

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    I watched a video of a cop picking up and pile driving an elderly man's head into the concrete killing him and he got suspended for 5 days without pay.

    The police were there because the elderly man got hit by a truck while he was riding his bicycle.

    It was obvious the elderly man was poor.
     
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    Sure, we need some police. During the Police Strike in Montréal, in one day, six banks were robbed, more than 100 shops were looted, and there were twelve fires. Property damage came close to $3,000,000; at least 40 carloads of glass were needed to replace shattered storefronts, and two men were shot dead.

    But do we need as many as there are?

    It’s not unusual for me to see as many as 6 different police cars or more from the 20 miles I have to drive to get to were I surf from were I live. When I was in Australia for 8 months I saw one police officer. I was making out with a woman in the bushes, who I had just met in a club, clothes everywhere, and the cop came upon us and said sorry mate and left.

    I’m pretty sure it would not have gone down that way if it had happened in the United States. Most likely, if it had, I'm pretty sure I would have been arrested for some crime. Most likely the woman would not have been charged with anything because the justice system infantilizes the heck out of women in the United States, which is another matter all together.
     
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    Your phrasing here frames 'cops' as a single monolithic organization when they are nothing of the sort. Each department has its own policies, hiring and training practices and is responsible for enforcing different local laws according to methods and practices ostencibly authorized by the local people they are policing. The result is that there are a very wide range of dynamics at play, from well trained competent departments that emphasize public interaction as a primary means to entice compliance, to large corrupt bureaucracies that use bullying and power tripping as a means to do little more than continually increase their budget. And everything in between.

    Some cops are definitely terrible. Typically they work for large departments where the only public oversight is from rich union lawyers who think the cost analysis on their spreadsheets in their air-conditioned office building is the most important factor in policing. But bad cops can also be found in small towns that don't have the budget to pay the wages that keep good cops from transferring.

    And you'll find good cops everywhere, even on bad departments. They might not stick around long, bad departments will have a high turnover rate because good cops dont like following bad policy. But police departments are just like any other employer- you might get hired on one and find out its not a good working environment, and you'll leave to find on that is. But unlike other businesses, police departments don't (often) get shut down when they run themselves into the ground. They often just get a bigger budget and a new bureaucrat in charge who likely knows as little about interfacing with the public and enforcing the law as the last one did...
     
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    saw that one too, pretty sad when a cop attacks someone that just got hit ridding a bike like that
     
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    One thing for certain is the police have ruined America.

    America used to be one of the freest countries in the world and right now it's right up there with Russia and China in Authoritarianism.

    One thing though is it looks like Trump is going to get elected and he has talked about turning America into a dictatorship on day one and the police really don't have to do anything to change themselves to accommodate a fascist country.. They're already a perfect police force for a fascist country.
     
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    the war on drugs is what changed cops, it's given them incentive to treat everyone like they are guilty until proved innocent
     
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    It sounds like there may have been a miscommunication. The girl reported that she thought she might be being followed and was worried about a carjacking.
    Then when police responded, the police seem to have thought she had already been carjacked, so assumed her stepfather, who was driving her at the time, might have been a carjacker.

    Here is another story about a woman who called the police and ended up being arrested because of it:
    Woman called police, then she was arrested for crime she didn't commit (in Law & Justice, April 12, 2023 )
     

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