Are vaccines really effective in preventing Covid infections (and deaths)?

Please be specific about what facts I’ve misconstrued. You will find everything I post on Covid is based on solid empirical evidence. Tell me what I’ve posted that isn’t science. You may be interested to know I’m not affiliated with Trump. Never voted for him. Not a fan.

 

No, your posts are not based on "facts". They're based upon misstatements of facts.

 

Show me where. Go ahead. I implore you. Present counter evidence to the statistics and peer reviewed studies I’ve presented.

I’m not interested in your unsubstantiated opinions. If you want to engage me on matters of science your argument must consist of more than fallacy. As of now your argument is nothing but fallacy. Let’s see some studies or statistics showing my error. Go…

 

I don't believe that's a logical inference to make. Pandemics have a natural tendency to wax and wane.
It could have easily started winding down in the numbers on its own, possibly even if no vaccine had existed, as far as we know.

 

There is absolutely no science about that. No research whatsoever that supports that point of view.

 

Science does not support your opinion.
If vaccine works we should get natural immunity, because that small percentage of vaccinated simply will not have a chance to get infected.

 

Science does not support your opinion.

 

Yes, sure political science that you are preaching does not support anything that goes against totalitarian party.
I am actually talking about biology and mathematics.

 

The fact that you make such an absurd statement and provide a link that does not say that is clear indication that you are desperate to defend your extreme-right antivaxxer agenda, but ran out of arguments.

My job is done....

 

Sure. After they have killed enough people. In the case of this one, it would be somewhere between 1 and 2% of the world population. That means about 3.5 to 4 million Americans. NOT BEFORE! Vaccines are an "unnatural" attempt to save lives. But Trump loyalist anti-vaxxers would prefer 3.5 to 4 million.

 

It is the CDC itself which recently concluded that the vaccines do not stop the spread of the virus. Why are you a science denier? Why won't you follow the science and listen to the experts?

This is NOT from Fox News or extreme-right antivaxxers. It is from the CDC:

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-shifts-pandemic-goals-away-130028307.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Vaccines have been quite effective at preventing cases of COVID-19 that lead to severe illness and death, but none has proved reliable at blocking transmission of the virus, Jones noted. The result is that even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread.

 

If by "stop" you mean "cease all infections" (right-wing binary thinking), that's not the purpose of the vaccines.

One last time: there are threads that will explain in detail to you what vaccines are intended to do, how they work, what they do or don't do. This one is not it.

 

There is no reason for vaccine mandates because the vaccines do not stop the spread. Vaccinated people spread the virus. There is no need for vaccine passports to enter places because vaccines don't stop the spread and vaccinated people spread the virus. There is no need to fire unvaccinated people from their jobs because the vaccines do not stop the spread of the virus and vaccinated people spread the virus. The unvaccinated are no more of a threat to society than the vaccinated are.

 

A dude creates a thread with the title:

Science provides an answer TO HIS QUESTION that conflicts with his preconceived, unsubstantiated opinion and he says this:

LOL

 

Yes there is! It's either vaccine mandates or keeping Trump out of office. One of the two works. You are now free to answer the question in the OP.

 

What? You totally lost me.

 

Sure does. But the question is directed at those who DENY science.

 

You are the one who denies science. You think infections that don’t result in hospitalization and death of the infected person are not a problem. Pretty much everything you believe about Covid is in direct conflict with science.

 

WTF? It's NOT a problem that is specifically intended to be solved by vaccines. But that has NOTHING to do with this thread.

If you have something to comment about the topic of this thread, go for it. If not... I'm just going to pass on your nonsense.

This thread is to demonstrate that the disinformation that your side spews (that vaccines don't work) leaves open the alternative explanation: that it was Trump being in power that kept the virus going strong in this country.

And this is further proven by the fact that your only resource is to try to change the subject..

 

His statement is completely accurate.

The link doesn't have to explicitly say the words "98% of people". What he is doing is called "independent thinking" (which is very fitting given his moniker). It means that he is thinking for himself rather than allowing the Ministry of Societal Manipulation (MSM media outlets) to do his thinking for him. He was able to take 87 / 89 and convert that fraction into a percentage (97.75%, or rounded to 98%). So yes, yes the link says precisely what he says it is saying.

I'm pretty sure I've seen him say that he's been vaccinated (and has gotten a 3rd shot), but I could be confusing him with someone else. If my memory serves me right, then I would hardly consider him to be an antivaxxer. You just use that particular term as a buzzword with intent to insult people of whom you don't agree with and have labeled "the enemy".

You didn't do anything... You didn't provide any arguments.

 

I haven't looked at the stats lately but from what I heard, places that are high percent vaccinated are currently spiking with COVID cases?

Is it possible the vaccine loses it's efficacy over time? I honestly could care less at this point.

The reality is we are ALLLLL going to get COVID at some point. It's up to you how you want to face it.

 

If you claim that 98% of people who are vaccinated test positive, and you send a link to support the claim... the text in the link MOST DEFINITELY has to say that!!!!

 

Nope, there are no safety-related reasons for vaccine mandates.

Vaccine mandates are not a reason for vaccine mandates.

Vaccine mandates cannot keep Trump out of office.

One is circular and the other doesn't work.

He's already answered it, and so have I.

 

... then what are you waiting for... answer the question!

 

It doesn't have to say those exact words. Can you do basic math?? I'm seriously asking. The link says that 87 out of 89 people got COVID even though they were vaccinated. 87 / 89 = 98%. I'm not sure what more you're looking for...