Are vaccines really effective in preventing Covid infections (and deaths)?

I said vaccines are effective at preventing poor outcomes, not transmission. You don’t need to misrepresent what I post. You can quote me with the quote function as I quote you.

Hybrid immunity is superior because of the natural immunity component of B cell maturation and the formation of long lived plasma cells not induced by vaccination. Also the antibodies and cellular immunity to non spike antigen from natural infection help.

Immunity from two natural infections would be superior to hybrid immunity on average. But nobody will study that unfortunately. Maybe someday.

Again, since you are easily confused and your memory is selective, the current vaccines are quite good at preventing death and poor outcomes. They are lousy at preventing transmission. I stated that quite clearly already.

The vaccines DO NOT work the way you have been led to believe. You have fallen for exactly what the majority of citizens in the 1984 story fell for. And like them, you can’t see it…

I’ll stick with the science thank you very much.

 

LOL. I also posted National numbers. From the United States. You know, THIS COUNTRY. And I gave you a variety of reasons.

I love it when you call science and data “crap”. Absolutely love it.

I have presented studies showing transmission is nearly identical in the vaccinated and unvaccinated. You are denying science at this point. As is your custom.

 

So you gave me reasons for not answering the question! Great!

 

Nope. I pointed out your premise is FALSE because infection rates fell BEFORE vaccines were available and INCREASED after many were vaccinated in the fall of 2021.

I gave you several REASONS infection rates fall including change in behavior, acquired immunity from natural infection, testing strategy changes, etc.

I have answered the OP question quite exhaustively multiple times now, documenting those answers with studies and statistics you so far are unable to counter with any evidence of your own. Again, you offer only fallacy and unsubstantiated opinions. Great for me. Not so great for you and another of your threads that went down in flames when exposed to science.

 

Ah! I see. So you were spewing your usual cherry-picking and pseudoscience to avoid answering the question. Now I get it.

 

No pseudoscience. Actual peer reviewed studies and statistics from Worldometer. What you got, Golem? Unsubstantiated opinions and DENIAL OF SCIENCE.

LOL. Do some research next time BEFORE you start a thread. Then maybe it won’t be based on a false premise.

Until you can present evidence contrary to the peer reviewed studies and universally accepted statistics I’ve presented I am going to have to accept your concession, step back, and watch the smoldering remnants of your political thread smolder.

 

What the hell are you talking about? New cases the day Trump left office 190482. New cases yesterday's stats: 31372

It has NOTHING to do with science. It's math: 190,482>31,372

The question to those like you who claim vaccines don't work: "Why?"

And you have tapped danced all around the place, spewing pseudoscience at every turn... just to avoid answering.

Of course, I'm not referring to two specific dates. You can use November 21, 2020, if you prefer. Which is 171,933 I'm referring to the tendency. But it's STILL math.

 

LOL. Math. When Trump left office 190,482 new cases with a less than 5% vaccination rate. On August 27, 2021, 197,404 new cases with 52% vaccination rate.


See how ridiculous your assumption vaccination is the only driver of infection rates is? How do you explain places like Vermont with over 70% vaccination rates and record infection rates? It’s explained by SCIENCE. Science I’ve presented on testing strategies, vaccine efficacy decline over time, behavioral changes, etc. Of course it’s science. It’s virology and epidemiology. Science you are incapable of understanding. That’s why you make threads based on false premises.

I’ll ask again. Is Trump President in Vermont today?

 

You have been posting to this thread... and only NOW you realize that?

Un-effing-believable

What a waste of time!

 

I’ve known it all along. That’s why I keep telling you vaccination isn’t necessary responsible for decreased infection rates. You are the one who believes correlation observed in one chosen interval implies causation in all intervals.

You think vaccination is responsible for decreasing infection rates but the math and science both show your premise IS FALSE.

If you had realized increased vaccination rates are at times correlated with increased infection rates you would not have created such a silly thread.