Arlington National Cemetery tries to erase blacks and women

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  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you don't like the mirror approach... got it. So tell me, when you're advancing minorities over white males, that isn't racism?
     
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    It's reported all over, so it's just sheer laziness to argue you can't find it.

    Some links which have been deleted:
    - General Colin Powell, the first chairman - Black chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
    - Hector Santa Anna, a World War II pilot who later took part in the Berlin Airlift,
    - All-Black, all-female postal unit from World War II, - there was a good movie about them recently

    They have been erased from history. They tried to erase the memory of Tuskegee Airmen too, but public outcry forced them to be re-instated.

    Will they allow blacks to be buried at Arlington? I don't know.
     
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    edit the link with the bolded part

    www.archive.is/.washingtonpost......
     
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    https://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/Explore/Notable-Graves/African-American-History/Colin-Powell

    https://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/Explore/Notable-Graves/US-Air-Force

    Why would they be listed at Arlington?

    Who when, see link above.

    Will you continue to make your specious claims and post your inane questions?
     
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  5. Seth Bullock

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    Ridiculous. Liberals just have to always separate the American people by race. Why is that? Can you answer that question? Seriously, can you answer that?

    But many of us don't believe in doing that, and that's why they made the change. We think we are all Americans - like those honored American heroes who fought for us and our country. We think that being an American hero by far outweighs what race they were. All fought for us. All sacrificed. All were brave. All were patriots. It doesn't matter what race they were. And I can't for the life of me figure out why liberals want to single out racial groups in the sacred ground of Arlington National Cemetery.

    See that flag the Marine is saluting in my avatar? When he salutes that flag, he is saluting everybody who has fought and sacrificed for our country. He is honoring all of them. He is not saluting a racial group. That gesture of respect is given to all of them equally.

     
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    Well something happened, and Trump did it via executive order, as the Pentagon admitted to…
     
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  7. Pro_Line_FL

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    You seem to support the separation now that your own party is doing it. Why is that?

    I have personally seen anything like this happen, where even Generals and Medal Of Honor recipients are deleted because of their race.
     
  8. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No. We are all Americans first and foremost. The time has come to stop categorizing us by the color of our skin and, instead, categorize us by our nationality - Americans.
     
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    Ok. So you oppose the on-going effort by the admin to erase these service men and women from the pages of history?

    PS The dead at Arlington are no "categorized" by race, religion, or gender. That is not why they are deleting the data.
     
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    Really, not at first ;) But I know, I'm the bad guy, lmfao
     
  11. Seth Bullock

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    It doesn't sound to me like anyone is getting "erased from the pages of history."
     
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    Editing / re-writing these historical records by deleting people based on race and gender literally erases them. What would you call it? Minor tweaks to historical records? Why do you support such nonsense?
     
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  13. Seth Bullock

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    I would expect that there is a story in the historical record for each one of those Americans buried at Arlington. I seriously doubt that the historical record is being "deleted." It appears to me that the administration has simply stopped the effort to highlight certain prominent or notable people because of their race. I agree with that. But I can absolutely assure you my reason for that is not born out of racism. Absolutely not. It comes from an abiding belief that it is their deeds that deserve honor, not the color of their skin. Nobody gets to choose the color of their skin, but they do get to choose what they do in their lifetimes. It is born from my belief that, in Arlington National Cemetery, the reason why we honor the memory of these people is because they were Americans. Not black or white Americans. Just Americans. They were Americans who stood up for our country, who served her, who sacrificed for her. That's what makes them special and deserving of honor.

    I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. – Martin Luther King, Jr.
     
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    So you do agree with them deleting tens of thousands of historical records based on race and gender. Thanks for the confirmation.

    If deleting historical records of black servicemen using the argument that they got their medals for being black is not racist, then I don't know what is. It implies blacks couldn't possibly earn a medal by merit. You bought the claim that they got their medals for being black, and .....well, it seems you got played, because IT IS a BS racist argument.

    Deleting people off the records doesn't honor anyone, except maybe the KKK grand master.
     
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    What I find ironic/interesting is that they're engaging in the very thing they claim to oppose - racism.

    Why do they do it? Power.

    Divide and conquer.
    It's the oldest chapter in the Leftist Playbook. The Jacobins played by it, the Bolsheviks played by it, their ideological progeny here in America play by it.

    Two members of my family are buried at Arlington, and you're absolutely right - there is no place for distinctions of race, sex, creed, etc., at that cemetery. Everyone who is buried or inurned there was done so because they defended our country, the United States of America, not their own individual race, sex, creed, etc..

    Because they're not being erased from the pages of history, much less Arlington National Cemetery:

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    General Colin Powell, a Vietnam veteran, was the first African American to hold three of the U.S. government’s highest positions: national security advisor (1987-1989), chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (1989-1993), and secretary of state (2001-2005). The son of Jamaican immigrants, Powell grew up in the South Bronx and enrolled in Army ROTC during college; he was commissioned as a second lieutenant in 1958. By 1989, he had risen to the rank of four-star general. Appointed chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in October 1989, Powell oversaw U.S. operations in the Persian Gulf War (August 1990 to February 1991). He elaborated the Powell Doctrine, which called for American military force to be used only if it could be overwhelming and decisive. As secretary of state during 9/11 and its aftermath, Powell advocated the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, but later spoke more critically of this decision. Overall, Powell’s leadership transformed American military strategy and diplomacy for the post-Cold War era. His many awards and decorations include two Presidential Medals of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal.

    https://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/Explore/Notable-Graves/African-American-History/Colin-Powell
     
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    No. Try to read my words. What I object to is feeling the need to tell their stories, but first identifying them by race and gender when, in fact, the only thing that really matters is that they were Americans. Their deeds are forever saved in our history.

    I never said that. I never implied that. I never even thought that.

    YOU did, and that is your problem.

    You apparently have no clue as to my reverence for all Americans who have given their entire lives to the service of our Country, our Constitution, and our Freedom. No clue.

    Not worthy of a response.
     
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    Queer service members will face similar treatment. Hell, the White House will probably continue their illegal transphobic agenda against trans service members even in the face of court injunctions. But MAGA says Trump should be above the law and above the courts. And they hate trans people. So of course they will cheer about this authoritarianism.
     
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    I feel like they are trying to pacify American history. Minorities who pushes for equality are being scrubbed from databases because civil rights was not an important part of American history. They just removed a page about Jackie Robinson which only adds to the evidence what this administration is trying to do.
     
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    All from the party who used to spout bull **** about "erasing history" just because monuments to those who seceded from our country to preserve slavery are removed, even though that was just the monuments, and the left never actually tried to do what the right is doing: actually erase history.
     
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    You have adopted the claim that those people were identified by race or gender when their stories were entered into the database and when they were given their medals (including the MOH), but nothing indicates that to be the case. However, the people erasing them ARE identifying them by race and gender, and that is what you are trying to defend.

    Your view about something else is irrelevant. We are talking about the admin policy of erasing the data (re-writing history), and you are clearly in favor of that policy. If you are not in favor, then why not just say so?
     
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    Yea, and many MAGA like to interrogate perceived enemies on their loyalty to the US while at the same time embracing entities that literally seceded and fought against the United States.
     
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    Bigotry

    noun

    obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.



    Bigotry can include any class or culture.
     
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    No idea what you mean, but no worries. I know how to Google the hell out of a topic.
     
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    Yes, I can. At this point in our journey as a nation, we use public notices, plaques, documentaries, books, and so forth to point out that heroic deeds and important milestones are often achieved by people who are not the traditionally honored and hero-worshipped white males. It's our way of trying to level the playing field to include others of equal achievement who have been traditionally overlooked or downgraded. It isn't an effort to dismiss the many accomplishments of white men.

    Trump/Musk and most of MAGA seem to think it's an effort to victimize them, but it isn't about them.
     
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    You were a bit rude, just sayin'.
     

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