Armed Man Gathers People Together in Dollar General, but Concealed Carry Holder Saves

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Which does not say what the NRA sycophants would love it to say
     
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    And what do "NRA sycophants" want it to say?
     
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    That the Kleck research is valid - despite the fact that it flies in the face of common sense let alone a cursory analysis
     
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    Still, the earlier claim that this was an isolated incident is clearly false. The CDC says that defensive gun uses in the US range from 500,000 to 3,000,000 a year.
     
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    Right, because the anti-gun crowd doesn't regularly use isolated incidents to promote the "validity" of their views.
     
  6. Bowerbird

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    No it does NOT say that - it says that is what some researchers claim

    And the Keck study is a hoot it is so patently wrong

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    Yeah - Australia, Britain and Europe are "isolated incidents"
     
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    It has been a proven fact for 20 years.

    John Lott in his book More guns, less crimped layed it all out for libs but they refuse to see.
     
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    The gun control law that has popular support is mandatory background checks. Would that have stopped this man from using his weapon in self defense?

    Sure, there are some liberals that want to ban guns. And there are conservatives that want to ban all alcohol. But the "reality" is that the gun control laws being presented are not to ban guns at all, they are to try to prevent some gun crime by performing background checks to make sure the person buying a gun is not a criminal. They are to limit weapons that can be used to murder large numbers of people quickly. And the laws being proposed would not have prevented the gun owner in this case from having his weapon.

    But where did the criminal get his gun? It may be a perfectly legal gun for him to own. Some better gun control laws are not going to prevent every gun crime. But when did trying to make a bit of an effort to keep criminals from having guns become a bad thing to so many people?
     
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    I agree with everything you said, and a point a good friend made to me was this. I need a license to drive a car, something not designed to kill. I need a 2-4 year degree to get the job that I want, which isn't designed to kill anyone, yet further society. However, without any formal training or experience, here in North Dakota, I can walk into any pawn shop or store, and within 2 days walk out with a weapon designed to kill other people. How in the (*)(*)(*)(*) does that make any sense?
     
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    His name is 'Kleck' and what's wrong with his research,other than you don't agree with it?
     
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    THe only thing Lott "proved" was the old saying that there are lies damned lies and statistics
     
  12. Bowerbird

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    I know that =you know that but this bloody new computer of mine insists it knows better and keeps changing spelling


    http://www.salon.com/2012/12/18/the_answer_is_not_more_guns/
     
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    Interestingly if you really look into this case the "criminal" had no crime background but the "hero" has had a charge of rape filed against him
    http://www.selmatimesjournal.com/2013/02/20/orrville-man-charged-with-rape-of-juvenile/

    So who is the real "criminal"?
     
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    That is a BS study...,they are assuming self defense with a gun always results in a 'murder'(killing in self defense is /NOT considered murder)self defense with a firearm can mean a lot of things,including saying 'i've got a gun',those 'criminal court judges' wouldn't be commenting on those.


    Nice try.
     
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    Did you even READ the story?

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    Which one are you telling?
     
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    Yep and something sounded fishy = even more fishy when I googled the "hero" name
     
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    Yet there are limitations on Amendments nonetheless. Parolees cannot own a firearm. People cannot yell "fire" in a public place. Felons cannot vote.
     
  18. Bowerbird

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    Lol! Did you even READ the story? They are assuming no such thing - they replicated Klec k(ruddy computer) study and then did what HE should have done - examined the stories. But this is not the only problem academics have had with that particular very bad bit of research - the very number of 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year almost outweighs the total number of robberies in the USA including shoplifting
     
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    because like children, Parolees are under the supervision of the state.... once they grow up or are no longer under the care of the state, then they should have the same rights as everyone else
     
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    Awesome. Good show.
     
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    I read the story,and their methodology is 'doo-doo'(young frankenstein)
     
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    You certian it's the same man?,or are you assuming?
     
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    Who said that additional attempts at stopping gun crime would be perfect? And charged is not convicted... but I can say that I don't want convicted rapists carrying guns. Do you?
     
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    Try logic for a change. You'll find it liberating.
     
  25. Ethereal

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    It says "almost all national survey estimates" indicate that the number is somewhere in between 500,000 and 3,000,000 a year. In other words, that range was obtained from the majority of academic research on the subject. If you have a problem with that range of estimates, then feel free to rebut them with something more substantial than your self-serving opinion.

    Or so you claim, and the range comes from a series of national estimates. The Kleck study is only one of many.
     

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