Army flight surgeon warns pilots could die in flight from vaccine side effects

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Clearly in your Ivory Cocoon, you have not read the Material Safety Data Sheet for the clot shots, nor have you examined the vial contents under a microscope, regular or electron.

    In fact, elements of PEG are included, as is graphene oxide. It is, after all, an experimental drug with proprietary secrets. Several medical literature specialists have shown this to be true.

    Carry on PLF, back into your cocoon that protects you from inconvenient facts. Drug experiments on gullible patients is the American Way, right? :lol:
     
  2. Pro_Line_FL

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    And Trump fast-tracked this deadly poison.......oh my?

    LOL.

    So, the claims made by Lt. Col. Theresa M. Long are fake news. What a surprise
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    The conclusions of LTC Long are based upon a risk-benefit analysis done in accordance with US Army regulations.

    Your memory must be slipping--I've told you many times I'm no Trump fan. I've pointed out many times that Trump has the same blood on his hands as Fauci, Trudeau and all the rest.

    LTC Long has done the right thing in pointing out the obvious.

    Will her superiors acknowledge the truth, or follow your lead and call her conclusions fake news?
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    She claimed the vaccines contain anti-freeze and it was fake news, which you took for gospel and still call "the truth" when in fact it was a lie.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    You missed it there in your cocoon, but many have discussed the PEGS and other toxic chemicals in the experimental drugs. You would have to visit the Stew Peters Show to understand that, but it's highly unlikely you would do that.

    Karen Kingston for one has reported on the various toxins like PEG. There are others too.

    Stew Peters Show (redvoicemedia.com) Spend a little time there, if you dare, and you can become informed of all sorts of unpleasant facts. :peace:
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    CLAIM: Vaccines are made with antifreeze

    VERDICT: Pants on fire FALSE / Tinfoil hat fake science.
     
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    CDC does not recommend asymptomatic patients be tested for Covid.
    Then the CDC recommends that the close contacts of infected patients self-quarantine at home for 14 days away from members of their household in a separate bedroom if feasible, even if they've tested negative for the new coronavirus.

    CDC previously has stated that Covid is transmitted when a non-infected person inhales large droplets emitted when an infected person coughs, sneezes or talks.
    Then the CDC reverses course and claims that transmission occurs if individuals inhale smaller particles known as aerosols that are released into the air by infected people when they breathe

    CDC wants wide spread testing for Covid
    Now they claim, At this point we really should be asking ourselves whether the benefits of testing outweigh the costs — which are lots of disruptions, lots of confusion and very little clinical or public health benefit,

    The CDC says fully vaccinated people should get tested if they've been exposed to coronavirus.
    Then they state vaccinated individuals do not need to be tested even if they have been in close contact with someone who tested positive, quietly reversing previous guidance that recommended testing “for all close contacts of confirmed or probable COVID-19 patients

    Feb 29, 2020
    CDC claims wearing a mask will not prevent the public from contracting Covid

    March 24, 2020
    CDC claims Healthy people who do not work in the healthcare sector and are not taking care of an infected person at home do not need to wear mask

    April 2, 2020
    CDC recommended masks for all people over age 2 who were in a public setting, traveling or around others in the same household who might be infected.

    July 14, 2020
    CDC claims
    Now’s the time to wear a mask. The U.S. could get the COVID-19 pandemic under control in one or two months if every American wore a mask.

    March 8, 2021
    CDC claims Americans who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 to shed their masks while visiting with others in small indoor gatherings. Social distancing isn’t needed either

    April 27, 2021
    CDC claims that people do not need to wear masks outdoors when they walk, bike or run alone or with members of their household. This applies regardless of vaccination status.

    July 27, 2021
    CDC recommends that fully vaccinated people return to wearing masks indoors

    Yet this is the first time you have heard of the continuing changes out of the CDC? Amazing.
     
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    Did you have a link to 24 year olds getting blood clots from Covid because I never heard of one. Neither has the Flight surgeons at Ft Rucker.
     
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    Its actually common knowledge. How could you possibly know what Dr 'Anti-Freeze' has or has not heard?

    "Some people with COVID-19 develop abnormal blood clots, including in the smallest blood vessels. The clots may also form in multiple places in the body, including in the lungs. This unusual clotting may cause different complications, including organ damage, heart attack and stroke.

    Researchers think the clotting may be triggered by the high levels of inflammation caused by the SARS-CoV-2 infection. A high level of inflammation can affect multiple organs and result in severe disease. In children and teens, this high inflammation is called multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), and it can particularly affect the heart."

    COVID-19 and the Blood | NHLBI, NIH
    https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov › coronavirus › blood
     
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    Army Flight Surgeons don't see blood clots from 24 year olds having Covid as a serious threat to pilots. They do however find the vaccine a serious threat to active duty pilots.
    Most of the blood clots I have heard about comes after vaccination.
     
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    Polyethylene glycol is polymerized ethylene glycol which is the active ingredient of antifreeze. The flight surgeon is either ignorant of this relationship or is being misleading. It’s like calling ivermectin horse wormer. A little truth—a little deception. PEG is much less toxic than ethylene glycol.
     
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    The flight surgeons are discussing vaccines produced by Pfizer and Moderna that have been linked to myocarditis in young males and not recommending these vaccines for flight duty.

    Whats your point again?
     
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    My point is to supply facts in a thread that needs more facts.

    I’m pointing out the precursor of PEG for the same reason I pointed out testing for troponin pre flight is a waste of time—because the things being discussed here are not well understood by some of the participants.
     
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    I think the parts of the discussion you find are not well understood by some, isn't misunderstanding. I think its more rejection of anything that doesn't fall in the pre determined vaxxer agenda.
    And these (misunderstood) posters don't care about unvaccinated pre infected individuals having better immunity than the vaccinated.
    It seems those who already had Covid and have better immunity are anti vaxxers as well and are being mandated to vaccinate to keep their jobs.
    Flight surgeons who conclude the risk to 24 year old pilots taking the vaccine and chancing myocarditis is greater than Covid would be to that age group, especially to those who already had Covid, makes them anti vaxxers and now they are all idiots.

    US Army, Navy, Air force and Marine flight surgeons aren't going to be checking for myocarditis in pilots before every flight. The best you can even hope for is every 6 months. So injecting these US Military healthy kids with a vaccine to compensate for a virus with a 99. something survival rate in that age group and putting them on flight duty doesn't make sense. But for the (misunderstood) posters, its just anti vaxxers no matter what the outcome is.
     
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    :) Very diplomatic. You aren’t wrong I’m afraid. Authoritarianism is not correlated with critical thought or subject matter knowledge.

    The military is concerned because of data like this.
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2781601
     
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    Best post of the thread.
     
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    And not one link to verify any of this x and how much of that was an initial struggling with an unknown virus - hindsight is 20/20 but I am glad to see that you agree Trump had too much influence on the CDC in those early days
     
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    A flight surgeon with a vested interest

    So why not recommend the J&J shot?
     
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    Are blood clots bad in flight?
     
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    How about a stand down until the risk is over?
    This whole thing is a storm in a teacup driven by someone with a vested interest in pushing alternatives. Anyone actually contracting the virus has massively more risk of developing these side effects. The rate of blood clots is les than one in a million
     
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    Is there studies that show this? It seems like a shot of spike proteins in the blood would lead to heart and blood issues more than a virus that has to travel from outside the body, into the lungs initiating an partial antibody response before it reaches the heart.
     
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    Doesn’t (almost) everybody have a vested interest?
     
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    What has a higher survival rate: the virus or the vaccine? Sorry for the softball question, but this seems like something you guys never think about.
     
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    if you can provide a list of names\ages of everyone that has flown and had a blood clot, I just know it happens, not their ages, never claimed too
     
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    What does that look like. How does an Army Surgeon have a vested interest in not recommending a Covid vaccine? A vested interest in what?

    According to their affidavits they cannot in good conscience nor under the hypocritic oath (do no harm) advise Soldiers to take an unapproved high risk “vaccine” still in a phase III trial when they are presented with 24 year olds with chest pain post “vaccine” injection and has subsequently developed myocarditis and was released from mission and currently has the heart pumping function of a normal 70 year old. Other soldiers have exhibited anaphylactic reactions to injections..
     
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