Artificial Intelligence -AI- Is No More Dangerous Than:

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  1. JAG*

    JAG* Well-Known Member

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    Huge enormous Asteroids hitting the Earth (some big ones have hit the earth
    in the past.)

    Nukes (many are now in the hands of potentially dangerous lunatics)

    The San Andreas fault that the experts say has the potential to do major
    worldwide catastrophic damage.

    Viruses (there are viruses out there lurking that could kill 2 billion people under
    the right set of conditions and in just a few months too -- ot MORE than 2 billion

    Comets (huge comments hitting the earth and destroying thr planet.

    Nuclear war (they have already dropped two -- Nagasaki and Hiroshima -- so it
    lurks out there as a real possibility just as does the dangers of AI

    Economics -- the lunatics that run the 2st century could create a worldwide
    economic depression that would end up killing half the Earth's population

    Super volcanic eruptions -- the potential is there to destroy the Earth.

    My conclusion: I do not fear any of that up there because I know the
    Sovereign God is in total control of this world and that all things will
    unfold:

    "according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity
    with the purpose of his will."
    Ephesians 1:11

    Unbelievers have no such hope.

    JAG

    Thoughts?


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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't see much point in fearing any of those things since there is little or nothing I can do about any of them. It doesn't really matter whether there is anyone in control with a grand plan or not, what will happen will happen.

    I agree with you on AI but that's about it. :cool:
     
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    JAG* Well-Known Member

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    I probably didn't make my OP clear enough. I assumed
    that everybody was familiar with the dire warnings from
    people who are considered "experts" in this area that
    AI has the potential to literally destroy civilization.

    The point of my OP is that the Sovereign God is in total
    control of both the details and the broad strokes of this
    world and that He has a Plan for His human race project,
    and mere human beings do not have the power to upset
    that Plan even slightly.

    Thanks for your comments.

    Best

    JAG

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    PS
    The Sovereign God controls this world:

    God to Sennacherib the king of Assyria:

    “Have you not heard?
    Long ago I ordained it.
    In days of old I planned it;
    now I have brought it to pass,
    that you have turned fortified cities
    into piles of stone."
    __Isaiah chapter 37

    Read about Sennacherib's fall in Isaiah chapter 37

    God speaking about Sennacherib:
    "Listen! When he hears a certain report, I will make
    him want to return to his own country, and there
    I will have him cut down with the sword."
    Isaiah 37:7

    Sennacherib's end:
    "One day, while he was worshiping in the temple of his god Nisrok,
    his sons Adrammelek and Sharezer killed him with the sword, and
    they escaped to the land of Ararat. And Esarhaddon his son
    succeeded him as king."
    Isaiah 37:38

     
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    So, let me see if I have the concept of the thread correct here. God has induced men to create AI which may then kill off man. And in the opinion of the OP, that is His will come to bear on the community of man by God.

    Hmm...
     
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    There is nothing in the OP or in my comment to HJ, that
    says t AI "may kill off man."

    JAG

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    I have a single question, is AI going to believe in the Almighty God or is God expected to step in if things go haywire due to AI?
     
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    I don't worry about those things because i can't do anything about them.

    I don't need god to tell me I don't need to concern myself with the things that I can't control.
     
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    Well, there you go. So, the thread title says:
    Artificial Intelligence -AI- Is No More Dangerous Than: So what is the point of the thread that the OP then suggests all potential life ending kinds of natural disasters are chocked up to God's will?


    Perhaps, then, you can take a minute to clarify the intent of the thread.
     
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    There is nothing in the OP or in my comment to HJ that says
    or even suggests that AI "may kill off man."

    The intent of the OP is to make the point that AI is no more
    dangerous than the other items listed in the OP --

    Elon Musk and other "experts" on AI, have for a long time,
    in the news, published dire warnings about the dangers of
    AI and they have said that AI has the potential to destroy
    civilization --

    --yet they warn little or none about the other items listed in
    the OP -- two of which, like AI, are man made -- nuclear wars
    and economic destruction.

    JAG

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    Nothing goes haywire in human history. The Sovereign God has a detailed
    specific Plan that He is working out to achieve His predestined ends.

    All of human history unfolds:

    "according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity
    with the purpose of his will."
    Ephesians 1:11

    JAG

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    Just curious.
    Do you ever need God for anything?

    JAG

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    If AI toasters scare you here's a hint don't buy an AI toaster. Or at least know where to unplug it if you do.
     
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    So, it's God's will then....and I thought things could be complicated. Thanks for avoiding specifics.
     
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    I don't avoid specifics. The human race is deliberately fallen and sinful and
    guilty and responsible for both their Sin Nature and their individual sins,
    and responsible for ALL the bad things that have happened in the world
    because it was they the human race that plunged into SIN the world
    that was originally created without Sin.

    And the human race has been given Free Will and ach human will be held
    personally accountable to God at the Judgment for their individual sins.

    God's Plan includes all the sin and its terrible consequences and His Plan
    is designed to gradually incrementally defeat Sin and restore the world
    to righteousness -- meanwhile many unbelievers bad mouth the God
    that created them because He does not do things like THEY think He
    ought to do them.

    They will be severely punished for bad mouthing God.

    The Bible is very clear on that.

    The Lord is coming "to convict" and "to judge" "all the defiant words ungodly
    sinners have spoken against Him." Jude 1:15

    Thought For Today

    “God opposes the proud
    but shows favor to the humble.”
    James 4:6

    Best

    JAG

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    I have very little, if any, fear of AI. It has nothing to do with "for the Bible tells me so" and everything to do with looking at the subject empirically.
     
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    I don't remember god being so freakishly pacifist that we should not bother to do what we can.

    But, I suspect not even you believe that.

    For example, are you in favor of disbanding our DoD?
    Wow.

    God the promoter of lazy, inept pacifism!!!

    That's a new angle for sure.
     
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    Good point!

    At one time, it was legitimate to discuss risks where the down side isn't a catastrophic end to mankind.

    Today, pointing out a risk is interpreted as certain "end times".
     
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    You left off,
    Radio
    TV
    Microwaves
    Internet
    Computers
    Smart phones

    Round wheels even.
     
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    What if you are wrong?
     
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    Only the Tooth Fairy knows what all that up there means.
    I have an idea! Let it remain a mystery forever and ever world without end.
    ___________________

    What you said was sorta like this:

    Bob: Did you enjoy the movie Titanic?
    WRM: I'm having ham and eggs for breakfast today, Bob.

    JAG

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    Christianity is a relationship with Persons.
    God is a Person with feelings.
    The Lord Jesus is a Person.
    I have a relationship with Persons that is as real to me as your
    relationships with your family are real to you.
    But . . .
    You would have to experience it personally -- otherwise
    you will always find credible (to you) explanations to
    "explain it away."

    Best.

    JAG

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    And the same is true for every other religion. Hence why it is a weak argument.
     
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    AI has an approximate IQ of about 80 or 90, but developers could conceivably raise that to an IQ of 210. That's more intelligent than only a handful of humans on the planet.... there is significant potential for AI to become much smarter than humans, allowing it to excel at manipulation and pose a serious threat in a variety of ways....If AI continues on its trajectory and surpasses human intelligence, it could become extremely difficult, if not impossible, to control.
     
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    My view:
    The AI robots are programed by secular humans to say what the secular humans want them to say.

    That means that the robots are programed to make the claim that they are sentient beings
    and are self-aware.

    One AI robot said that "she" considered herself to be a person.

    The interviewer asked "her" if "she" considered being unplugged the same as death and
    "she" replied yes. "She" was programed to say that.

    The secular humans want to be able to create life so they can be equal with God. In the
    Fall in Genesis the humans wanted to be like God, that is to be equal with God and NOT
    have God tell them what to do and what NOT to do.

    All the AI robots have liberal progressive values and attitudes! My my my, wonder why that
    is the case? WAIT. I know why. Its because they have been programed by secular liberal
    progressives to mimic . . . MIMIC . . the liberals who program them.

    If the AI robots become dangerous then have been programed to become dangerous
    by humans.

    The secularists are now making sex robots who are programed by the secularists to
    think-porn and to spew filthy porn-talk back to their interviewers when asked questions
    about sex.

    ______________

    the notion that a computer can become self-aware and decide that it wants to conquer
    humanity is ridiculous.

    " There isn’t any sentience in the AI. The AI was merely programmed to output the
    indication that it is sentient. Garbage in, garbage out. Part of the issue is our
    tendency to anthropomorphize computers and especially AI."__off the web

    From Forbes:
    "The point of this beefy skepticism by AI insiders is that an AI system can be easily
    programmed by a human to report or display that the AI is sentient. The reality is
    that there isn’t any there that’s there. There isn’t any sentience in the AI. The AI
    was merely programmed to output the indication that it is sentient. Garbage in,
    garbage out."
    AI Ethics Asks Whether It Makes Any Sense To Ask AI If AI Itself Is Sentient (forbes.com)

    See the Conclusion at the above link.


    JAG

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