As it stands, is there a single SHRED of evidence that the vaccine prevents transmission?

No it is NOT. please stop making false statements.
The delta variant is COVID. It’s not a different disease and it still response to vaccinations that were originally developed. Get with the program. It is way more infectious but Masking and vaccinations still cut the transmission rates according to every medical research facility.

 

"This treatment" as in the vaccines?

"The small and the tall?"

 

No. You got one. If you’re not interested in doing your own research it’s just just trolling. Tucker would be proud. You’re upping his ratings. Cause really, the people like Hannity and Tucker at Fix news that you are mimicking are only interested in money.

 

The more contagious variants are not a different beast..what ever you think that means. It’s a more contagious version of the SAME disease that response to vaccinations and masking in a similar fashion. To claim it’s a “different beast” is not a scientifically accurate statement.

 

Do you believe in masking and/ or vaccination as a strategy’s for helping to cut the spread of COVID ? Yes or no ?

 

Show me a study that says that the delta transmission is reduced.

 

Masking kids? Stuck in the same room 8 hours a day? no.

 

That’s an uninformed, unscientific request. It makes no sense.
Asking for one study is like asking for one opinion. In science, it has no validity. If you’re interested in studies, plural, go to a medical research web site or gov agency. They are using dozens of studies done by hundreds of medical personnel.

I’m assuming the cdc along with all the institutional recommendations are based upon a plethora of studies. You aren’t ? You’re only interested in one ? Do you trust Tucker over the cdc ?

 

Seriously, you’re not aware of the protocols recommended along with masking in schools ? The same room for eight hours ? geesus, that’s hilarious.

 

Are you asking that question because you really don’t know the answer ? Cause you can easily go to the Mayo Clinic and the like web site and use their search option to ask.

 

Exactly. Fully agree.
And for decades, public health recommendations have literally lead to MANDATES that kids can’t attend schools without some of these vaccinations. So now, it’s suddenly an issue because....Tucker and friends want it to be ?

 

I'm asking you to back up the claim that the vaccine reduces the spread of the delta.

It's actually very scientific.

 

True - in the short term.

You take the vax the rate of spread will decrease - but, unfortunately not to the point of herd immunity .. as rate of transmission still remains relatively high even though one is vaxxed - the bug - because it is not killed - "Stopped" like other vaccines - learns how to defeat the defenses offered by the vax .. in this case the mutations enabling the virus to target a larger demographic.

Supposed we had no vax - and in fact we didn't for the first 2 waves - the virus moves through the population - infecting roughly 25% - taking who it takes. The other 75% will not get ill .. remember that the Flue only infects 10-20% per year (I used 25% to be on the high side) - the others either asymptomatic or it just doesn't like them or it misses them. Those infected and those asymptomatic now have immunity. - just like a "Real vax" - and in fact this is how the older vaccines produced immunity .. by giving you a little taste of the virus

Asymptomatic can be 2-4 times the number of people who get sick .. all are immune after though.. so you are left with those it doesn't like and those it missed... So it goes around until you get to 60-80% immunity - and there it stops .. not able to find any victims .. too many blocked doors.

Now if you have a good vaccine - even better - can get there faster -- a good vax stopping transmission .. just like getting it.


In this latest case -- we locked down - slowing the spread of the virus - allowing it more time to mutate - while still having lots of infectable hosts. So we had the first two waves go through - but the virus did not really get through the population . .due to lockdowns... which slowed the rate of which it is going through the population.

Now -- those that never got exposed to the virus in the first waves- will get a more mutated form of the virus. In the third wave we had started vaxing .. and this shold have been the end of it ..turning all those people vaxed into the Infected-Asymptomatic category of inmmunity - but it didn't .. the vax offered way less protection - not stopping transmission.. but giving the virus a taste of the weak defenses -- which it learned to overcom.

In the fourth wave- the virus is not able to infect a demographic that it could not before .. the "I don't like you" crowd - is now "I like you now" These folks would have been better off being exposed to the initial strain .. were assymptomatic and gained immunity but were not harmed.

Keep in mind that by en large Covid is only taking the weak .. many of which were already on deaths door - and this was certainly true in the first waves .. not touching the younger demographic.

This is not a vax .. this is a treatment - and unfortunately it does not reduce transmission that much.

 

OK. You don't understand. It is OK. I am finished with this thread.

 

Kids? Who wear cloth masks. Improperly most of the time. Who typically pick their noses and wipe it under the desks and everywhere else. Who don't often cover their faces when they cough? And have been known to trade masks.

Ya. Live in the real world. This isn't some magical land of Shangri-La where the rules and guidelines written down somewhere are followed properly to the letter. That's not how real life work. Hell you can't even get adults to properly abide by guidelines but you seem to think it's happening in schools?

That IS hilarious.

"guys! I put down the guideline of only breathing in once every 2 minutes! That should work in preventing the spread!"

 

Viral load has nothing to do with transmission. I has an affect on what is transmitted. Transmission is an action.

 

Brilliant deduction.

 

Lockdown can cut the transmission rate down near zero if harsh enough. Vaxxing does not do much to decrease transmission rate. - hence why this new stuf should not be called a vaccine .. its a treatment.

 

Sure. Keep saying that. With over 90% of the people hospitalized for covid being unvaccinated, it’s evidence positive that being unvaccinated makes them more likely to be infected. Maybe transmission and infections don’t seem related ? They do to me.

Over 90% of the deaths now, 300 per day due to covid, are among the unvaccinated. To say vaccinations don’t have much to do with coming down with severe cases of COVID is a real stretch. We know what the inane arguments of deniers are, but it’s pitiful to hear.

 

The treatment modality is not a preventative medication. It’s used as more a recovery drug and thus far only about 50% effective given after you become infected. . It’s obviously not a vaccine to help prevent coming down with hospital requiring infections. Can it also be used before hand on uninfected peoples ? As far as we know, it has not been studied enough yet for that use. .

 

Worst thing to do since it transmits more easily indoors.

 

Lock downs help prevent the spread on a small scale If no one in the lock down is infected indicated by frequent testing and isolation, , no problem. Otherwise, it can be a horror show on a large scale, like entire cruise ships and complexes for the elderly that didn’t practice local lockdowns and testing within the cabins or rooms itself.

 

No. Delta is a variant of covid. It’s still covid and vaccinations and masking still reduces instances of infections.

 

So you’re an educator and you know all the other protocols that schools must use in addition to masking ? It was the eight hours in a room that was ridiculous. Adults still salivate, pick their nose and expel body fluids and masking is still more effective then not in reducing infections. .

so, you’re campaigning for what ? No schools, more infections, higher death rates or just what ? Can’t figure how denial of everything works.

 

You know how the delta is a variant, and as such brings with it different issues and problems because it's a variant? Meaning not the same? If you are under the assumption that because they are all part of the covid family that they are the same...I have some sad news for you.