As it stands, is there a single SHRED of evidence that the vaccine prevents transmission?

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  1. ToughTalk

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    I know reality. I know what expectations should be given the environment and the players involved. A teach in a class of 30+ students trying to enforce a safe mask mandate is just not going to happen. No matter how nice the rules are written down. If covid is as infectious as every study claims it is. It's going to spread with or without masks in that environment. That's just science.
     
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    Why don’t you read all the protocols that go along with masking for schools. No, not reading all the school recommendations…..is not science. Now your post is just made up jargon.
     
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    Sad news for you. It’s still managed by masks, social distances and vaccinations. The treatment of severe cases is the same for both. WTF are you just making this stuff up.

    it’s more contagious just like any-other virus can mutate the same way with the treatment being the same.The major different issue is, infections are easier so the guildines need even more enforcement and all the deniers filling the hospitals are dying quicker…..of the same disease.
     
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    Your intent is what ? Throw your hands in the air, let infections increase so more cases to deal with mutations can evolve and more heart and cancer patients can be turned away from hospital care ?
     
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    The media blackout of the success in the Utter Pradesh region of India is over. They tried something different and it was wildly successful. With only around 11% vaccinated and 5% fully vaccinated they have declared to have beaten Covid. This is a population of 241 million. They did what experts testifying to Congress said we should do but that advice was ignored.

    Utter Pradesh went door to door and passed out kits that included Ivermectin along with zinc, vitamin D3 and other various vitamins along with doxycycline. The kit also included things like gloves, masks, and an oxy meter. No reports of any adverse reaction to Ivermectin.

    This was a program sponsored by the WHO.
     
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    Btw, what’s wrong with cloth masks including Cheaper surgical and medical masks made of cloth are in this category and are very effective reducing spreading of droplets.
     
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    Which turned out not to be the problem. It’s transmitted by aerosols which the hospital masks only limit 9% of. Cloth masks tested as worse than no mask.
     
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    And kids don't even care enough to wear the masks properly. They are not robots. I drop off and pick up my son every day. Half the kids are either not wearing their masks or have them tucked down to their chin. There is a HUGE difference between guidelines written down and the reality as to how it plays out. And I could give a rat's ass because kids are more at risk from the vaccine than the virus. And the teachers are all vaccinated.
     
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    “Aerosols” the new denier buzz word.
    wrong. More made up sht. Cloth masks don’t attempt to filter the virus or the smaller droplets in aerosols. But they are effective in filtering larger droplets and slowing the rate of exhaling them into the atmosphere where they migrate and form with aerosols in the air. Obviously, proper ventilation and proper cloth Masks are essential. But They aren’t respirators.
     
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    Wow. That’s a death inducing statement. I suppose all vaccines make all kids more at risk ? Maybe we should pray for the return of polio, measles and rubella. Or, are you just picking on COVID cause we need to defend the deniers of the world for not being vaccinated.
     
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    Did they include industrial cleaner to gargle with ?
    Exactly what experts are these ? It couldn’t be from the Pandemic task force Trump admin. He stop funding them.

    isn’t this the same area with 17 million infections ?
     
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    This claim that you are making is completely lacking in proof. You do realize that, right?

    Ergo, your claim assumes facts not in evidence. Very, very weak.
     
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    What is completely lacking in truth is the official narrative you repeat here endlessly.

    We've all been deceived. Some of us understand that, others never will.
     
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    Do you have any studies that claim otherwise?

    While still a preprint
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1

    And yes. I know. It's being scrutinized because it uses Vaers data.
    https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2251

    Don't care. That screams "we don't like the results". Of course, we are talking about fractions of percentages here. But the optics of the vaccine being slightly more risky then the virus are not great for Pfizer. Oh boo hoo.
     
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    So science and the CDC not for you anymore eh?
     
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    You could actually attempt to educate yourself but I understand wearing blinders is much simpler.
     
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    It's not an official narrative.

    It's science.
     
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    I am more than familiar with it. It still does not support your claim.
     
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    Science has been politicized.
     
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    "Post-vaccination CAE rate was highest in young boys aged 12-15 following dose two. For boys 12-17 without medical comorbidities, the likelihood of post vaccination dose two CAE is 162.2 and 94.0/million respectively. This incidence exceeds their expected 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization rate at both moderate (August 21, 2021 rates) and high COVID-19 hospitalization incidence."
     
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    Seriously, educating my self from an area that has 17 million infected case…..isn’t much of an education.
     
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    Not your version.
     
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    Still doing much better than we are. Utter Pradesh province has virtually eliminated Covid.
     
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    I don’t call 17 million infections, eliminated.
     
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    By the right.
     

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