As it stands, is there a single SHRED of evidence that the vaccine prevents transmission?

Vaccination? Yes. Masking? Basically useless.

 

That's what I mean - it's WAY more contagious!

 

Exactly!

 

When did I say that it was a different disease?

 

They tested in lab. VERY different to real world. It depends on the type of mask as well.

 

No mate .. you are misunderstanding the info put forth.

 

I’m misunderstanding nothing. You’re choosing to look to anyone but all the medical experts in every research facility in the US.

I suppose the right argues also to go to a hairdresser to fix their cars because they have an opinion they agree with too.

 

Nope - short term gains for long term losses - have to look at both sides of the equation.

Not at all - depends on what one is trying to achieve - and what tools one has in the box. - when one uses that tool.

For example -- say we do not have a vax - but we think we will have one in a short period of time - a proper vax that stops transmission for the most part.

The goal might then be to stop transmission to create some time. In this case you want to lock down - but lock down hard - everything shuts down - no one goes out of house .. groceries delivered essentially. and this give some time.

In the case where you don't have something that stops transmission .. now we have a problem .. as you can't staty locked down forever. All locking down has done is change the nature of the virus your population will be exposed to when you do open back up.

In Retrospect - remembering that any fool can foretel the past - would have been better to hide away those who are in aforementioned groups (obese- pneumonia susceptible - comorb - old ) and let the rest of the population be exposed to this virus.

Sweden may turn out to have been the smartest nation of them all .. as if you don't lock down - the virus - like all viruses - moves through the population - and they all have really strong immunity after.

So while the deaths in Sweden are comparable to other nations who locked down - the population may be way further advanced in terms of achieving immunity -

Once the thing is gone - you can open up the at risk groups - the rest of the population providing a defense against further intrusion.

These are very complicated calls the leaders must make - and often they don't have the best information.

 

Nope. It depends upon availability, cost and function. The cdc is not going to recommend ANYTHING that everyone has less access to, serves an unnecessary function most of the time and is too hard to maintain, and cost too much.. A scuba mask and tank works much better. I suppose you would recommend that. The proof is in actual compliance. Look around. The cdc admits that n95 filters well, but hey are too inconvenient. How many do you have in your packet ? My guess for 99% of the public is NONE.

 

That’s completely wrong. In America, everyone has access to a vaccine.....if you don’t have it by now, thats on you. There were avail to everyone but kids, months ago. Move on. It’s just a made situation.

 

You have gone off the farm -- building strawmen - because you can't deal with the information provided. You said I was arguing for more covid deaths -- I have done no such thing.

You now accuse me of made up nonsense - say I have not used information from US medical experts, when I have used a ton of info from that source.

Lacking an argument you desperately try to demonize the mesenger - trying to say I am on the Right .. and labeling the right as morons .. in a fit of Ad Hom combined with Strawman fallacy.

I am not on the right mate - and have way better arguments against the right than you do. You are the one who is doing what you acuse the right of .. going to a hair dresser to get an opinion about cars .. and you do this in this post .. idolizing "medical experts" - when "Medicine" is not the subject matter domain in some aspects of this issue .. and clearly you misunderstand that fact as well.

 

Then congrats. You now disagree with nearly every medical professional in the world....sounds like the old climate change denial argument. That means your activities reflect in and you could very well contribute to disease spreading.

 

You’re information is bogus. It’s made up sht. Just like it is in climate change for deniers there too. And not only is it wrong, it’s hypocritical. Deniers would whine like little babies if anyone in the health care business didn’t wear a mask while in their presence and showed signed THEY were ill. Bet you’d not put up with the nurse coughing and sneezing (unprotected) in your face.

 

You misunderstood was posted - happens when you jump in to a convo - and have not read the context.

 

What information is bogus. Seems it is you who is touting "Made up sht" - trying to project your failings onto others.

What is this bogus information ? - any moron can throw insults from the peanut gallery - twirl around in a circle crying bogus bogus giving no support for claim - surely you must have something to back up your claim.

 

Dude - you have gone off the farm. I am not on the Right - but even if I was you are engaging in Ad Hom fallacy - and throwing out unsupported accusations.

What info is bogus ? support your claim.

 

My information comes from every medical research facility in the US. You’re comes from any similarly hilariously made up story on the net.

 

You align yourself with the right, you’re on the right. Even a few so called democrats, minorities and otherwise liberal minded peoples are carrying the right wing bogus agenda because they are too uninformed and fall for right wing conspiracy theories in lots of topics.

 

So if I’m wrong and you just said you say you don’t believe in masking, now can you pick out a time when you do ? It’s the silly statements and arguments that fly in the face of literally......all the major institutions

 

Wrong, when it comes to public health, medicine is ALWAYS part of the issue. You’re so call rights disappear when you spread disease to-others . We’ve had mandates for decades. Now because the dullard crew from Fix wants you to think rights, medicine doesn’t matter ? Another bogus idea.

 

It’s throwing in these make believe statements that support positions that real people in the real world are not responsible for. It’s clouding an issue that kills people.
If you’re not vaccinated by now with no underlying medical reason, it’s your uninformed choice.

 

And it still responds to PROPER masking according to every major medical institution in the world.

 

I don’t know what you’re laughing about. I’m saying nothing that isn’t supported by every medical research institution in the US.

If you’re not informed already as to what they recommend, you’re totally uninformed, not me. You look for it. If you think masking is useless, that’s your idea...especially after all available from non Fix sources.

 

who are “ they”. It certainly wasn’t Fix news. Maybe our sources should be the smart crowd.....you know, like the Mayo Clinic among many which supplies evidence for the cdc.

 

What a joke your posts are .. nothing but false accusation - Strawman fallacy.

never said medicine was not part of the issue .. never stated did not believe in masking

No wonder you run around crying "Bogus Bogus - Bogus information" given all that Bogus accusation running around in your head.