As it stands, is there a single SHRED of evidence that the vaccine prevents transmission?

You haven't been paying attention. The MRNA vaccines were around 99% effective for the strain of covid for which they were developed. They are less effective with delta which is resistant to it.

Vaccines have nothing to do with the transmission of a virus. Nothing. We have been over this. The only thing they do is to cause the immune system to generate antibodies.

 

Don't think was deliberately released to make money .. but its not beyond the pale
Cant remember where came across .. but heard/read it a few times
Correct on the the 39% preventing illness .. which is way too low .. When you get ill is when you transmit mate .. If you are ill .. you have loads of the virus happily congregating in you .. which you spread to others ..

We should have hit herd immunity by now - as with Israel and other places .. but we havn't -- member all the people that got it are immune so you add that into the total vaxed .. So if you got 70+ of a region vaxed - and this thing been going on for 1.5 years .. how many of the 30% remaining had had covid ? Quite a few . .. 10% would be a reasonable guess .. so 80% .. thing should be nearly gone .. herd immunity kicking in full gear .. having trouble finding new victims. - getting blocked at every turn.

Thats in the case of a vaxed folks not transmitting . but -- they do .. which is why this thing is still raging.

 

I will stick with meaningfully as I said.

There is no real evidence that they did. The numbers show that the majority of infections occur in the home. What overwhelmed the hospitals was a new virus about which the medical community knew virtually nothing. The same thing occurred to a lesser extent with the arrival of delta and is likely to occur with future strains of the virus.

Not necessarily. Symptoms involve more than the virus. They involve the health of the individual for sure. Different people, different symptoms. In some cases infected individuals have no symptoms at all. The viral load of the person who is the source of the infection will affect how much virus is transmitted. That in turn will affect how quickly the immune system can deal with it.

 

We probably have herd immunity for the original virus. But now we have a new strain. We certainly don't have herd immunity for the future strains that will arrive. Remember, the corona viruses mutate constantly and rapidly.

Vaccines have nothing to do with transmission. Zero. They help the immune system reduce the virus in the body. It is raging because we have a new strain that has replaced the original virus. If the immune system could eliminate a corona virus completely the seasonal flu would have disappeared a long time ago. I'm not sure why government doctors predicted that we could contain and eliminate the virus. That hasn't happened with any other corona virus. There is nothing that suggests this corona virus will be any different.

 

Well then the vaccines have at least some effect on transmission.

 

New strains are being propagated by the vax .. Vaccines are supposed to prevent infection - which prevents transmission .. so ..this is incorrect what you have said. A Vaccine is supposed to stop/significantly reduce transmission mate ..

 

I will try again. Vaccines are not supposed to prevent infection. They are supposed to cause the immune system to generate antibodies that, in turn, fight the infection. Covid is transmitted by coughing sneezing and breathing. Vaccines do not put a stop to those things. They can't generate a force field that prevents coughs, sneezes and breathing to stop as soon as they exit the body. They cannot prevent transmission in any way.

If the person coughing or breathing has a lower viral load because the antibodies have reduced it, then less virus will be transmitted with each breath or cough. That is not the same thing as preventing transmission. Nor is it the same thing as preventing infection. It makes each breath or cough carry less virus. That is a good thing and why reducing viral load is important not only for the infected but for those who will be infected by the vaccinated person. Vaccines can't prevent anything. They give the immune system a head start in generating antibodies.

I should also mention that vaccines have nothing to do with propagating new strains either. In fact they help slow new strains. New strains are occur from natural mutation that goes on constantly and rapidly with corona viruses. Again, vaccines give the immune system a head start in generating antibodies. That's it.

 

None whatsoever. Indirectly they can make each transmission carry fewer virus particles. It doesn't affect transmission. Time to let it go.

 

The shots are dangerous to all, fatal to many.

It is absurd to claim that injecting graphene oxide and other toxins into a human body will help it, but absurdity rules society right now. The injected are raving about The Emperor's New Clothes. We live in a sick society.

 

Pure unadulerated hyperbole.

 

In a time of universal deception, speaking the truth is a radical act.

The shots are dangerous to all and fatal to many. There is ample data to understand that if one is open-minded and curious.

 

Look .. if you are not infected - you are not transmitting ..

 

When can we expect you to start doing that? There is deception in this matter from the conspiracy theorists and antivaxxers!

Batshit.

No there is not. Open minded curious people do not equate to gullible and logic-free.

 

If, as you say, the "vaccines help the immune system generate antibodies", and "antibodies reduce viral load" and that "lower viral loads in infected people" means "fewer virus particles will be transmitted", then I can't see how you can say that the vaccines do not have at least some effect on transmission.

 

Well yeah, because people spent most of their time at home, but someone in the household obviously first had to become infected outside the home.

 

This is NOT to say that if someone gets COVID but is asymptomatic, as in NOT ill, that they cannot spread it, right?

So then how do you explain the difference between the US and Israel?

 

Which in turn, reduces viral load, right?

 

Someone who is asymptomatic has an immune system that is beating down the virus - keeping it at low concentrations - and so have a much lower probability of transmission

I have no good explanation for the difference between US/Israel. Can hazard some wild guesses of what might be possible and that is about it.

Israel was first to be vaxed - if the vax is resulting in the virus getting around immune defenses quicker.
Bad Data ? - but this would only explain part - and a fairly small part - of the discrepancy.

We will see what happens over the next 6 months in the US and other places... Israel may a glimpse into our future.

 

Well with the vaccines, there are less people who are sick than would be without the vaccines, yes?

 

In the short term - folks are less sick - almost exclusively those who have pre-existing conditions - Obese - Pneumonia susceptible.

For the vast majority it is a bad flue - and you have to look at these populations separately A) and B) respectively.

A) Risk of harm from covid greater than risk of harm from vax
B) Risk of harm about equal -- very small in both cases - with repeated vaxing - specially over a lifetime - risk of harm from the vax is much higher.

In the long term - this treatment is likely to create stronger viruses - as does not reduce transmission enough to achieve herd immunity. Notice how initially the virus did not touch Children - and very little effect on those under 70 .. big effect on the old .. but in almost all cases .. the small and the tall .. was a small segment of the population filling the hospitals - may on their death bed already.

Keep in mind that the death rate in a normal flue season is 20/100,000 - influenza/pneumonia.

Occasionally you will see stats that only look at "influenza" ignore them - as you have to look at both as main cause of death from the flue is Pneumonia 9 our of 10.

 

Bingo

 

Sure. Over 90% of those hospitalized are unvaccinated. Over 90% of the deaths are preventable now. But, bogus stories like these keep the ratings up for gullible uneducated people who seem to say their freedom to disregard public health is worth dying for.

 

Maybe-you should not just-listen to Faux news and tucker

 

What did I say?

 

There isn’t a single shread of evidence that vaccines “prevent” the transmission of disease ? What ? Do you think it’s just coincidence that we’ll over 90% of the deaths and hospitalizations for covid are among the unvaccinated ? Seriously ? You use words like “prevent” when it never applied to vaccines. NONE in any instance is perfect and none can absolutely prevent anything. . They cut down on the rate of transmission and the severity of the illness by over 90%. They don’t PREVENT anything. Those are Tuckerisms. Deniers want absolutes. Medical science doesn’t work that way. There is this little thing called evolution that many on the right can’t understand that gets in the way of absolutes in disease transmission and severity of illness.

The really asinine argument of the Tuckers in this world is that if some thing is not absolute, it should never be used. That is hilarious.