Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

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  1. The Amazing Sam's Ego

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    Think of Princess Leia saying I know somehow ive always known. The Bible fits together like a puzzle piece. We all have a desire to seek God in us, the Bible says it, in the verse that God makes everything beautiful in its time. We are imperfect and we come from somewhere, there is a moral standard, every bad thing done under human law has consequences. Everything has order and purpose.
     
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    Funny, when you try to rationalize one fairy tale, we have to imagine another as a precept.
     
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    quoted from crossway evidence of God.

     
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    You do know what evidence is don’t you ? The Bible is not evidence.
    You don’t mind if I don’t read it all ?
     
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    Do you agree with my quote from you need is righteousness?
     
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    .????
     
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    Just to let you know, this guy never actually studied any science.
     
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    The Bible does not teach morality, it teaches the need to be totally obedient and loyal to the Boss (the God character, chief priest, king, family father, employer, slave master, etc.).
     
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    Just part of being a politician. No different than Mrs. Clinton trying to get elected and speaking at a black church telling them "I don't feel no ways tired."
     
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    And if God tells you to go to someones else's country and commit genocide it is all good.
     
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    He really gets pissed if you show any mercy.
     
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    The Bible was written in a time when the ruling class had to control the lawlessness of the masses. It’s the Bible of Old Testament and it’s the Koran as well.
     
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    It would just get in the way. ;)
     
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    https://www.allaboutspirituality.org/reincarnation.htm

    The major religions that hold a belief in reincarnation are Asian religions, especially Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, and Sikhism, all of which arose in India.

    When I was born in 1930, there were two billion people on earth. Now there are over seven billion. My question is: "If there were more then five billion "souls" waiting to be born, why is "recycling" by reincarnation necessary?"

    Reward or punishment?
     
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    And , we’re not even counting the reincarnates who are lucky enough to return as cows. There are about 1.5 billion cows now on earth grazing at any one time.
     
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    False conclusion,

    Its the philosophers and courts, using reason and logic that you need to dispel.

    102 pages and the neoatheists still have not answered anyones easy questions.
     
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    Rediculous. Name one philosopher or judge whose active job is to make engineering and reaserch decisions that are necessary for expanding our knowledge. . You do know what research is ? Nope.
     
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    we know that you do not know what a red herring or a strawman argument is, if you did Im sure you would refrain from the above. You are the only one talking about engineering and research which is neither the point nor the topic being discussed. :roflol:
     
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    Yes I do, I’ve read your posts before.
     
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    Regardless of whether or not a particular such paper can be sited having that kind of configuration and authentication, the claim still stands. The experiment has been repeated many times in many successive decades since History first recorded it in 1801 with many refinements as described in this link (and others):

    https://scienceterms.net/psychology...eterms.net/psychology/double-slit-experiment/

    The key here is the repeated distinct emphasis on the effect of observation (of what is measured at the slit). There is no getting around the effect of conscious awareness affecting the outcome.

    This is not the same as the indifferent presence of an observer in the room. Attempts to debunk the claim are based on the lack of effect of an indifferent observer in the room, or even an observer who just looks at the overall experiment in progress without being aware of what the measurements at the slit are showing and the effect on the outcome.

    A hard-core skeptical scientist such as Stenger has written several books claiming to debunk all arguments that offer evidence for the existence of the supernatural and God, and in his 2009 book Quantum Gods he claims to explicitly and thoroughly debunk the notion of consciousness affecting the double slit experiment. However, a careful examination of his efforts reveals bias, omission of details, and word-salad talk-around instead of squarely facing all aspects of the issues. I can provide specific analysis of his misleading arrangements if requested.

    One of the habits of skeptics and conformists is to focus on the supposed capacity of measurement at the slit in causing the change in outcome. This is their trump card in denying the essentiality of the conscious awareness factor. What they don't reveal is that measurement data and outcome data are meaningless and indeterminant in effect until assessed by a human being. From the Wikipedia link on the subject:

    Delayed choice and quantum eraser variations[edit]
    Main article: Delayed choice quantum eraser
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    A diagram of Wheeler's Delayed Choice Experiment, showing the principle of determining the path of the photon after it passes through the slit
    Wheeler's delayed choice experiments demonstrate that extracting "which path" information after a particle passes through the slits can seem to retroactively alter its previous behavior at the slits.

    Quantum eraser experiments demonstrate that wave behavior can be restored by erasing or otherwise making permanently unavailable the "which path" information.

    This is similar to Tom Campbell's claim that erasing the measurement data before anyone is aware of the data causes the outcome registration to change from decoherent type to coherent pattern (interference bands).

    You can spout all you want to about lack of peer-reviewed authentication and speculate that general realization should have world-shattering effects, but it doesn't change the fact that the establishment doesn't want to wholeheartedly face the truth about the significance of the experiment.
     
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    Also, note that poster Above Alpha has stated that a fly in the room where a quantum computer is being robotically assembled ruins the computer, and a person reviewing the videos of assembly process causes normally functioning quantum computers to fail. Above Alpha has something like 5 college degrees.
     
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    Sure, make it something like six degrees.
    If you guys’d brag about the authenticity of ANYONE based upon the degrees they have, why the fk don’t you reference the universities that give those degrees on the topic you make woo woo about ?
    Don’t you dare criticize science at university level then use a university degree to buttress your false narratives. It’s obviously shallow.
     
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    That’s because no one knows what a neo atheist is ? It seems, you stable geniuses can avoid dictionaries and come up with your own definitions so, who knows what it is ?
     
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