Assasination- This is how its done in the big leagues!

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/504332858261508983/

    I'm surprised this is still out there.

    All these jobs the guv is involved in gets very messy.

    Roger Craig, Expert witness murdered!

    Listen to his story, so typical, waco, 911, murrah.

    Oswald was framed, just like he said, and he was framed by our government.

    Please watch his testimony before posting.
     
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    He was not framed.

    There is no evidence that he was framed and massive evidence he shot Kennedy.

    Craig was just a detective not an expert witness.
     
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    We wouldn't still be trying to pry redacted classified records about it from the govt 50 years later if the govt wasn't criminally involved in it.
     
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    Yes we would.

    The sheer volume proves otherwise.
     
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    Not sure if we're saying the same thing... the information declassified in recent years is approximately 10% of all the information the govt has on the assassination and the investigation, with the other 90% still classified. The govt wouldn't still be classifying all that information 50 years later if the govt wasn't trying to protect and hide its own involvement.
     
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    It would have been more accurate to label him a 'first hand' witness, [to guv fraud] which is why he had to be terminated.

    He witnessed the actual gun and it was stamped on the barrel that it was a 7mm mauser.

    The 3 casings on the floor however were perfectly lined up [which we know is bullshit because ejectors throw casings all over randomly] and those casings were from a 5mm italian rifle

    Seems we have a problem in dodge!

    That and what about the bullet that went through the windshield, and the one that lodged just below the radio, and the one that chipped the curb that had small bits of copper and lead still mashed into it when I went down there?

    Oswald would have needed a submachine gun to do all that shooting, not to mention somehow a 7mm german mauser, the 3-- 5 mm italian casings, all magically morphed into an italian 6.5×52mm Carcano.

    Now thats either some totally awesome magic or guv fraud.

    we woujld really like a reasonable explanation for that unbelievable feat of magic!
     
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    Late 70s House Committee determined from audio evidence that there was most likely at least 4 shots which would prove that there were 2 shooters

    United States House Select Committee on Assassinations - Wikipedia


    The question that I have asked for 40+ years - why would Oswald barge into a theater without paying to draw attention to himself? A public place - and why he declared that he was not resisting arrest

    As he put it, he was a patsy
     
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    Yes they would.

    It is typical to keep things classified to protect sources. Your claim simply has no merit.
     
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    Wrong.

    The so called audio evidence was debunked and actually debunked by the very same experts who discovered it. The recording had no sound of gun shots and was actually recorded at Parkland hospital which is why the only identifiable sounds on it are the sound of a hospital PA system paging a doctor.

    There are many reasons for him to do so not the least of which is that he was in a state of panic having just shot a cop. He knew they were after him and closing in. People in a state of panic by definition do not think rationally.

    He yelled he was not resisting arrest because people who resist arrest often yell that they are not resisting arrest.

    He was no patsy. That is fact. No evidence supports the idea or claim that he was a patsy.
     
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    What a load. The sources are not that much of it. They're protecting waaaay more than that.
     
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    No it was not stamped on the barrel as a 7 MMK mauser. The first officer who found it merely misidentified it as a mauser because mauser rifles were more popular and the two types of rifles bear a superficial resemblance. The officer admitted his error and it was nothing more than an error.

    The casings were not lined up they were in fact randomly scattered and they were marked as 6.5 mm not 5 mm as was the rifle.

    8a-shell-casings.jpg

    The bullet fragment which went through the qwindshiled came from behind as did the others and ALL of them matched Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other rifles which was established through neutrino activation tests.

    He fired three shots and did not need a machine gun. One bullet fragmented on impact accounting for all these bullets you refer. They were not bullets they were bullet FRAGMENTS

    The only problem in dodge is your lack of good research into this issue
     
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    You wish.

    The sources are typically a good reason to keep them classsifed your assumption is very weak and ignorant.
     
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    lol, why would I wish? I wish the govt had a history of being trustworthy. It doesn't.
     
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    True it does not.

    However protecting sources is a trustworthy act.

    You wish that the onlgy reason to keep secrets is to protect their own involvement. This would make yoru belief in a conspiracy valid.

    But it is not valid
     
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    Seems it is stamped on the barrel!
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    They found it an were examining it together.
    There would be no reason to assassinate him if that were true. Clearly that is propaganda.
    That was after they were kicked around for the photo op. (well unless you have continuous time stamped video of the whole process proving its genuine) Otherwise we have no reason to doubt his words!
    Then you are admitting to 6 rounds fired, lol
    Bad math I see, that adds up to 6 shots. :D
     
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    That is not 7mm it is 7.65 as i said

    No they did not find it together Craig did not find it. He was not assassinated.

    He fired three shots which is not six
     
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    So you arent very good with ballistics I see
    Come on, tell the truth, those tests were inconclusive and you know it, why post nonsense, you lose credibility before you even get started.
    The only fragments that were found were on the floor 'under' the seat, if we are naively foolish enough to believe that, that they can do a uturn and magically go under the seat, and it is claimed to be from the shot that exploded his brains to vapor
    They were under the seat, fragments do not make round holes in the dash and do not make round holes in the windshield.
    Starting to look like you are here to simply post garbage. I would expect that from someone who is trolling.
    Craig said it was a 765, I see you didnt bother to review the material.
    He stood beside the guy who did find it, examined it with him and and read the barrel. How hard is that? LOL
    A rifle shot to the chest after the first failed attempt to drill one through his head failed, is an assassination sorry.
    So you cant account for the other 3 shots. Which fragment hit the curb and chipped it? Seems we have big problems, your claims are impossible.
     
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    I know more about ballistics than you and those tests were conclusive.

    Wrong

    Fragments were found in his head and on the dash and on the floor.

    Yes they do make round holes.

    I was referring to your first claim where you said it was a 7mm clearly it is you who knows nothing about this material

    The last round hit the head the second round hit the chest. The first is the one which missed and hit the curb.

    My claims are fact backed up by evidence. Yours are fiction based on ignorance.



    There were ONLy three shots and yes it was an assassination by Oswald
     
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    No they were not, and you have shown nothing to demonstrate they were conclusive.
    Right!
    Not from a carcano
    LMAO
    citation? lol
    just my shorthand.
    ok?
    thats 2
    Not if you didnt post any corroborating facts, and you didnt.
    No citation, no facts. Your facts are backed by fiction.
    thats 3
    there are still the bullet holes in the windshield and below the radio, and the one that hit him in the neck? Seems you keep coming up 3 short, why?
     
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    Yes they were conclusive and the burden is on you to prove otherwise and you cannot do so because you pulled the claim that they were inconclusive from thin air

    That is fact

    Wrong and proven so.

    I am stating proven fact it is you mking crap up.

    It was notr short hand it was ignorance.

    The bullet holes in the windshiled and dash were caused by fragments.

    I am not coming up short at all when one bullet fragments the fragments cause multiple holes.
     
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    burden is on the claimant, you never proved your claim, plonk.

    Ive seen no facts from you

    Not proven, you made a naked statement, no citation.

    yes it was shorthand, proof you need to clean your crystal ball

    you didnt even post evidence much less prove anything LOL PLONK!

    Pills from other guns are not fragments. What proof do you have they were fragments? Anything at all?

    you also need to explain the 6th round found on the stretcher, that was a big ole pristine fragment.

    So a rifle round through the chest is not an assassination huh?
    Do you at least have a good euphemism for that line?
     
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    You made the claim first the burden is on you.

    You have seen irrefutanle facts from me and you know it,
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    There was no sixth round found anywhere.

    The bullet found on the stretcher was in no way pristine.

    OSwald assassinated Kennedy alone/

    I did post evidence you did not. That is fact your posts are outright lies
    I
     
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    your nuclear evidence is a failure.
    your fragment claim is a failure.
    your claim that craig was not assassinated another failure despite his dying of a rifle round to the chest.
    there are no witnesses that saw oswald shoot the president, your claim is failure
    your imaginary evidence runs contrary to what was found at the scene and you have no explanation for it
    I dont see you bringing anything productive to this thread but thanks for playing.
     
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    I presented no nuclear evidence.

    My statements about fragments is factual and accurate and proves you wrogn. Your challenge is the failure.

    Craig was murdered nothing more.

    Witnesses are not needed when you have vast amounts of forensic evidence. Most crimes of PREMEDITAED murder have no eyewitnesses.

    There are also no witnesses who saw anyone else shoot Kennedy.

    I stated factual evidence it is you posting imaginary evidence and projecting when cornered.

    I have dominated this thread and will continue to do so proving you wrong
     
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    Nothing to see here folks once the trolls take up residence. Sorry, this could have been a good thread.
     

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