Assuming Adolf Hitler won WW2 - how would the World be now?

And again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Tracing_Service
Is it beginning to sink in now? The evidence is there. Write to the ITS or send them an email. It seems to me you're more afraid of being made to look ridiculous than actually facing the truth. Anyone with a shred of honesty and a genuine interest in not shrinking from truth would check the records for themselves. As for demanding documentary evidence online, I suggest that any document you are shown you could genuinely claim is not the original but a photograph. And we all know how simple it is to manipulate images digitally. Thus my suggestion that, in order to satisfy yourself of the bona fides of those records, you do the decent thing and simply fly to Germany to examine the originals. After all, visiting the Fatherland would be like a trip to Disneyland for you, wouldn't it?

 

What does it mean for Hitler to have won World War II? Would he have had to conquer those nations, or would suing for peace be good enough? Chances are, the Germans would be unable to continue funding a military that size. I also find it hard to believe that he'd be able to bend the British and Russians to his will for long.

 

It would seem so. Western historians with no investment in the answer rejected the Auschwitz figure almost from the start. They argued (correctly) that Poland and the Soviets were happy with an inflated number to forward their emotional argument against Germany. The number 6 million was always very arbitrary anyway, and no historian has said a definitive number could be put on the event. I suppose even if we assume these people were all victims of over work and disease, the question still remains why were they in the camps in the first place.

 

Taxcutter says:
Do you really think Hussein Obama will forego new free stuff to fund making a larger number of brigades deployable?

I can't see that. For Hussein Obama it's free stuff uber alles.

 

There were also some letters from Nazi Party officials. Of course, it does not fit with your Holocaust denial, so you dismiss them.

At least we can verify that Hans Stark was an SS member and did work at Auschwitz.

If you want to dismiss the testimony of an SS-Unterstrumfuhrer, be my guess. Still, I quoted some letters that Nazi Party officials sent as well. If there was no extermination, why were the Nazis, during the war, sending letters discussing it?

You specifically claimed that the Nazis only killed Communists. That counts as someone, but you were still denying that the Nazis were attempting any large scale killing of Jews.

 

So you think that in the event of conventional full scale war with a world power, Obama would cut the size of the military?

 

Taxcutter says:
Hussein Obama is capable of almost any atrocity.

 

And you back up this claim with exactly what evidence?

 

Taxcutter says:
Start with the IRS scandal.

 

Because political corruption is the exact same thing as willfully killing Americans en masse?

 

I would appreciate it if we could stay on topic.

The topic of this thread is not Obama.

 

Koolaid is american.
It is made for profit.
By american union workers as it happens.

 

Are you sure it isnt made in China like everything else?

I did some research, and your mostly right, but only recently

http://www.foodproductiondaily.com/Packaging/Kraft-Foods-to-upgrade-US-Kool-Aid-factory

The kool aid plant moved from Mexico back to delaware in march 2013

 

Thank you for admitting the number 6,000,000 is complete bunk. Strangely, that doesn't prevent it from being endlessly repeated.

Which letters? Which officials? How can I dismiss something that you haven't produced? Is this how people argue in the bizarro world?

We can? Because he has a wiki page? And if he was? This proves the Holocaust narrative? Given the meticulous record keeping of the Germans, one would think you would be able to do better than a worthless paragraph of text from an unknown source, given under unknown circumstances at an unknown time and location.

Which letters? You keep mentioning letters from German officials yet I haven't seen you produce any.

I didn't specifically claim that.

You've said twice in this thread that, and I quote, "If it's true, it should be easy to prove," and yet here you are, grasping at straws, mentioning letters you haven't provided, and copy/pasting text from a `source` nobody has ever heard of, that appeared in a book written in the 1980s.

Keep trying.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

 

Not relevant.

 

Stop taking things that I say and putting a different meaning to it. I am not using their testimonies to prove that 6,000,000 were gassed. I am using their testimonies to prove that people were gassed.

Take a look at Page 53.

If he did not exist, that Wikipedia page would already have been deleted.

Page 53

I recall you saying it.

 

Taxcutter says:
It's a necessary step along the way. It establishes a disregard for the hoi polloi.

 

The book was Fatherland.

That was the one made into an HBO movie with Rutger Hauer. The book was great but I think the movie was less so because even though I saw it, I can't remember a single thing about it.

 

Thanks yes I agree the book was very good the movie was a flop.

 

Do my homework for me? Are you kidding? You made the assertion that Israel was a National Socialist state, and then didn't describe a single thing about the government or the economy to characterize it. "Racial Pride" does not an economy or government make. So basically, you had no idea what you were talking about, you never did, and then want me to research your ridiculous assertion.

 

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Good to see you completely missed the point - Obviously it was too intellectual for you

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Agreed, the book was absolutely enthralling - And well thought through

 

Bumping the thread. Hopefully Teutorian did not drag it out for this long and then abandon it.

 

You know I understand this topic is a WHAT IF?

But the thing is in reality it is really a NEVER COULD HAVE BEEN.

There was only ONE possible scenario that could have allowed Nazi Germany and Hitler to win WWII and that would have been if the Nazi's had first developed the Atomic Bomb and even if the Nazi's did develop a Nuke before the U.S. did....this would have only resulted in Germany being able to defeat European based forces.

The United States even if it had developed Nuclear Weapons after Germany had destroyed European Military targets and cities would have still been too far away for Nazi Germany to attack even if the Nazi's had made a nuke small enough to fit on a Missile but that was YEARS away.

The United States with it's massive Army Air Corps. and B-29's and P-51 Mustang Fighter Escorts would have penetrated far into Germany and Nuked any target we wanted.

Even if Britain had been reduced to radioactive rubble...the U.S.Army Air Corps. could have taken off from locations within striking distance of Germany all over the region.

By 1945 the United States Military had grown to MASSIVE proportions and capabilities.

Active duty U.S. Military personal reached 12,055,884 in 1945.

Just to detail the difference between U.S. Military Industrial Capability from 1941 through 1945, American industry delivered more than 276,000 military aircraft. That number was enough not only for US Army, Navy and Marine Corps, but for allies as diverse as Britain , Australia, China and Russia . In fact, from 1943 onward, America produced more planes than Britain and Russia combined. And more than Germany and Japan together 1941-45

The United States had built 41 Aircraft Carriers by 1945.

The U.S. Navy was operating 6,768 ships on V-J Day in August 1945, including 28 aircraft carriers, 23 battleships, 71 escort carriers, 72 cruisers, over 232 submarines, 377 destroyers, and thousands of amphibious, supply and auxiliary ships.

This was over 70% of the total amount of Ship Tonnage IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.

The U.S. produced over 88,500 Tanks.

As well the the United States built an ASTOUNDING 38,090,300 Tons of Merchant Ships necessary for U.S. Supply and Force Projection all over the world.

In comparison all other nations both allies and enemies only built about 10,000,000 Tons of Merchant Shipping. The production of such Merchant Shipping being almost 4 TIMES greater than the entire WORLD COMBINED was a marked indication of the ability of the United States to be able to send and supply any sized American Military Force with everything they needed for as long as they needed to fight any war on the globe.

This U.S. Military and Private Economic Capability exists even today at such an extreme level and is the difference between say Chinese Military Force Projection capability which exists at almost ZERO....and U.S. Military Force Projection Capability which allows the U.S. Military to dominate every area of the Globe at will.

Nazi Germany if it had develop Nukes before the U.S. would still not had any capability to attack the United States where as the U.S. could have attacked Germany at will.

Still such a thing was not necessary as Germany was not even CLOSE to developing Nuclear Weapons and it was simply a matter of time before American, British, Soviet and other Allied Nations forces would and did defeat Nazi Germany.

AboveAlpha

 

I don't know what post you were reading or what drugs you might be on, but I don't believe I asked you to research anything. You really marched off the beaten path here and I don't even know what you're addressing.

Edit: Now I do. It was a multiquote post. I didn't tell you to do your homework. I told someone else to on an entirely different topic.

In closing, if you don't see the striking similarities in ideology and purpose between Israel and National Socialist Germany you are either blind or have a complete misunderstanding of one of them, if not both.