Atheists, Faith Is A Simple Test: To Find Out If You Are Teachable?

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    If MLK is for equity, that doesn't make MLK correct nor democratic. I see all the signs from equity, er, reparations, er, wokeness as being anti-democratic, for example.

    EDIT: How is it any less democratic for the capitalist to say one has to achieve in their world or ideology than to have the black community say one has to achieve in their world or ideology?
     
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    Then you are calling MLK anti-democratic and woke.
     
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    If the quotations of MLK that you've provided are true, yes...MLK would nicely fit in with the rest of the really bad leaders and influencers in the black community.
     
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    Welp, as long as you finally admit how you really feel about him
     
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    What's wrong with my honesty? I think I'm, at least, as smart as you.
     
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    And anyone as smart as me would know this was a straw man question. There's nothing wrong with your honesty. You tried appealing to MLK and then found out he was one of your "woke" enemies.

    Maybe one day you'll also learn what's internally inconsistent about your first sig quote. Hint: Communists hate class distinction and want to get rid of it. That's the whole ****ing point.
     
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    You enlightened me. I'll have to be wary of MLK in the future. MLK isn't good for the black community (if the black community wants to achieve successes).
     
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    Do you have Multiple Sclerosis?
    Do you believe that MS exists? Why do you believe that if you've never had it?

    Same with being Transgender. You've never had it. You have no idea what it is like to be transgendered. And yet, because it doesn't fit in with your preconceived notion of the word, and even though you don't hold any expertise in the subject, you write it off as something that doesn't exist.

    You are no different than someone who says MS doesn't exist simply because you don't have it.
     
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    SCOTUS decided that the protections provided by government must be equally offered.

    But, the point in this thread is that the SCOTUS referred to the constitution, not to a religious work, the Pope, or to the Evangelical Christian denominations that so actively hate gays.

    Had there been justifications for discrimination in marriage, the court could have ruled otherwise. But, religions don't provide such justifications.
     
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    You might want to look up Brown v. Board of Education

    "Separate but equal" rarely passes Constitutional muster.

    Just from a logical standpoint, what is the point of being legally separate but equal?
     
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    Duplicate post
     
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    One Supreme being?
    How about Genesis 1:26? Thoughts?

    26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”
     
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    There are other verses in the Hebrew writings, but far more times God is referred to in the singular: “I am the LORD, and there is no other; there is no God besides Me” Isaiah 45:5

    Personally I don't find this troubling. The New Testament doctrine of God as the Trinity is one way of explaining this, but I don't think that is even needed. God reveals himself to us in many ways: creator. father, mother, maker of rules, judge, redeemer, etc. It isn't required of us to fully understand the nature of God to understand He is sovereign, nor are we even capable of it: For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
    1 Corintians 13:12


    That is the role of faith.
     
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    To ensure that all protections are equal, why not make all Mets fans Yankee fans, then? Why not demand that all Iowans be called New Yorkers?

    BTW, protections were equal for the same sex couple V. the hetro-marriage couple before same sex marriage was decreed by SCOTUS, so , I don't understand your point (or others', quite frankly), that giving marriage to everyone ensured equal rights for everyone since same sex couples had equal rights to hetro marriage couples before SCOTUS decreed same sex marriage.:roll:...Or are you just as hung up on the word marriage as I am?
     
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    Separate but equal is how everything is and has always been. Right now, the white person is separate but equal to the minority according to the Biden Administration, for example?:roll:...Or do you wish to complain about the separate but equal?:roflol: treatment of whites, for example, by the Biden Administration????I thought not.

    For example, even after same sex couples got same sex marriage, they still (and always have) demanded their recognition of being separate but equal to hetro couples. You know, you can't demand separate but equal for you and everyone else but then demand there be no separate but equal in marriage...That would be hypocrisy...That is the hypocrisy on the part of same sex couples.
     
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    Yahweh
    The self-existent One. He has always existed and will always exist. You can always rely on Him because He is your eternal source of strength.
    (Genesis 2:4, Isaiah 40:3; 10; 1 Samuel 1:20; Exodus 6:1-4, 3:1-22)

    Adonai
    God is the Lord over all. He is the King of kings and the Lord of lords, He reigns forever. Therefor you find safety in Him and Him alone.
    (Genesis 15:2, Judges 6:15, Malachi 1:6, Deuteronomy 10:17; Psalm 2:4, 8:1, 97:5, 136:3; Isaiah 1:24, 6:1; Romans 10:9)

    Yahweh-Maccaddeshem
    The Lord your sanctifier. He forgiveness your sins and His Holy Spirit works in your life to become like He is: pure, loving and true.
    (Exodus 31:13, Leviticus 20:8; Ezekiel 37:28)

    Yahweh-Rohi
    The Lord my shepherd. He cares for you, the way a shepherd tends his sheep. He cares for you and leads you to still waters and green pastures.
    (Psalm 23, 80:1, 95:7, Isaiah 40:11, Jeremiah 31:10, Ezekiel 34:12, 23)

    Yahweh-Shammah
    The Lord who is present. He never leaves you, nor forsakes you. He is with you forever. Your best friend, who never betrays you.
    (Ezekiel 48:35, Genesis 28:15, Ezekiel 48:35, Psalm 23:4, 46:1, 139:7-12, Jeremiah 23:23-24, Amos 5:14)

    Yahweh-Rapha
    The Lord our healer. “By His stripes were are healed” declares the Bible. Jesus Christ died to give you life. Not only was God the healer in the Old Testament, but Jesus Christ revealed the healing heart of God for all of us, more than ever.
    (Exodus 15:26, Exodus 15:26, 2 Chronicles 7:14, Psalm 6:2, 41:4, 103:3, 147:3, Isaiah 19:22, 30:36, 57:18-19, Jeremiah 3:22; 17:14, 30:17)

    Yahweh-Tsidkenu
    The Lord our righteousness. When we believe in Jesus Christ, He becomes our righteousness. He forgives our sins and washes us with His blood.
    (Jeremiah 23:6, Genesis 15:6, Jeremiah 23:6, Psalm 4:1, 5:8, 24:5, 31:1, 36:10, 71:15, 89:16)

    Yahweh-Jireh
    The Lord will provide. Jesus Christ said that Father cares for us and we never need to worry about provision. He is our source of life, in every way.
    (Genesis 22:13-14)

    Yahweh-Nissi
    The Lord our banner. The Lord gives us the victory in spiritual warfare. When the enemy comes in like a flood, the Lord raises a banner of His love over us and covers us. He wages war on our behalf and makes us more than conquerors in Christ Jesus.
    (Exodus 17:15)

    Yahweh-Shalom
    The Lord is peace. Whenever there are storms in your life, hide in Him. He is your shelter in the storm. He gives peace beyond understanding, even when circumstances are chaotic. He is our shelter and our shield.
    (Judges 6:24)

    Yahweh-Sabbaoth
    The Lord of Hosts. The Bible mentions myriads of angels, who wage war against the armies of hell, who try to destroy mankind. Jesus Christ is the Lord of hosts, the Captain of the armies of heaven.
    (Isaiah 6:1-3, 1 Samuel 1:3, 17:45; 2 Samuel 6:2, 7:26-27; 1 Chronicles 11:9; Haggai 1:5)

    Yahweh-Ghmolah
    The God of Recompense. The Lord says in Romans 12 “vengeance is mine, I will repay.” We should never avenge others for what they do to us, but leave it in God’s hands.
    (Jeremiah 51:6)

    Elohim
    God is creator, powerful and mighty, Lord of lords. He is the Lord Most High, stronger and mightier than anyone or anything. When you face impossible circumstances or adversaries, now that your God is stronger.
    (Gen. 1:1, 17:7, Ps 19:1 Jer. 31:33)

    El-Elyon
    The most high God. Do not fear the enemy who tries to intimidate you. Know that your God is the Most High God. There is none above Him. Jesus Christ is exalted high above every name.
    (Genesis 14:17-20, Deuteronomy 26:19, Isaiah 14:13-14)
    NAMES OF GOD - Complete list from Hebrew and the Bible (godisreal.today)


    There's whole bunch of ways to describe something that no one knows what it is.
    Some are even plural. Indicating at times more than 1 entity
     
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    Yep. Elohim is always plural.
     
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    Elohim
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This article is about the Hebrew word. For other uses, see Elohim (disambiguation).
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    Elohim in Hebrew script. The letters are, right-to-left: aleph-lamed-he-yud-mem.

    Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים, romanized: ʾĔlōhīm: [(ʔ)eloˈ(h)im]), the plural of אֱלוֹהַּ‎ (ʾĔlōah), is a Hebrew word meaning "gods". Although the word is plural, in the Hebrew Bible it usually takes a singular verb and refers to a single deity,[1][2][3][4] particularly (but not always) the God of Israel.[1][2][3][4][5][6] At other times, it refers to deities in the plural.[1][2][3][4][5][6]
    Elohim - Wikipedia
     
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    Yep. Elohim is a plural noun. I've heard claims before that it was used with singular verbs, but every time I've tried checking that out, that's ended up being a false claim. Every instance I've found has been with elohim being a plural noun associated with plural verbs. But I'll check out these sources that claims singular verb use. They may be correct. It's just that, in my experience, these claims tend to end up playing out false.
     
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    I've never seen a more ridiculous description of what the SCOTUS is chartered to do.

    And, your idea that same sex couples were treated equally by our government before same sex marriage was allowed is just a factual mistake.
     
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    You need to read about the state legislation for same sex couples before same sex marriage was decreed by SCOTUS. It would open your eyes...maybe.
     
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    There are 50 states. Old law is not always easy to find, because people are interested in current law.

    If you have a point, make it.
     
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    Yeah, as I said we know about God through the way He manifests Himself to us in our lives: "God reveals himself to us in many ways: creator. father, mother, maker of rules, judge, redeemer, etc."
     
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    If God has a predestined plan for everyone and everything, then none of us can have free will, can we?
     
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    And more than 1. Oh well.
    Any god is exactly has anyone wants it to be.
     
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