Australia trolls Joe Rogan

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Who else but Gruen would be this good at it too!:p:p:p:p

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/j...opaganda/ac0c5bb5-45fa-404f-9715-e56fdac74088
    :roflol::roflol::roflol:
    Sorry but I find this hilarious! After all the rubbish he has been spewing about Australia he got completely sucked in by a fake Ad by Gruen!

    This is the best version of that fake ad I could find



    For our American friends Gruen is a show about Advertising where some experienced advertising experts discuss strategies behind ads

    Here is them taking on and criticising the Governments advertising for vaccination



    But they also have a segment where they will ask two advertising agencies to make a “pitch” or ad about some topic - sometimes it is serious, sometimes not like the time that they pitted Australia against New Zealand to sell the idea we should become one nation

    Gruen has taken the mickey out of American issues too - such as making an ad to convince Americans to give up guns
     
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    I love the Gruen show and it's a testament to how good some of these parodies are that someone removed from the local context would believe them.

    I continue to see media call his Ivermectin a horse dewormer, which is a lie by omission. Irrespective of whatever you think of its efficacy against COVID, it has been administered to billions, it's a WHO essential medicine for other illnesses, and Rogan took it as prescribed by his physician, not as the dose used in veterinary settings.

    That was bad reporting, pure and simple.

    Rogan is vaccinated and if his doctor prescribes him a perfectly safe drug in human doses that's between him and his physician.
     
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    Okay - so i was laughing at one of these fringe nuts explaining how you can make your own Hydroxychloroquine by boiling organic lemon and oranges together - funny yes? Someone thinking Marmalade can magically become a substance they believe will cure them of COVID - funny up to the point where they refuse vaccine because the Marmalade will keep the virus away, funny up until they pass the virus on, funny until they end up in ICU and tying up a bed someone else could need. Ivermectin is not effective at stopping the virus at levels that are below toxic. It is one of those “It cured the disease - pity it killed the patient.”
     
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    Rogan was not given toxic doses of Ivermectin by his GP. He was not given veterinary ivermectin, over a billion people have had it without complications, it is an exceedingly safe drug at doses prescribed by human doctors, which is why it is on the WHO'S list of essential human medicines.

    That doesn't mean it works for COVID-19, but you should stop lying about it, Bowerbird.
     
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    In which case he might as well have been drinking water. The dose required fir antiviral effect is waaaaaaaay higher than the dose required for anti parasitic effect


    What part of that is difficult?

    https://www.nps.org.au/news/ivermectin-and-covid-19-for-hps

    “in Vitro” which means “in the lab” means the original study showing anti viral effects were done on cell cultures in a Petri dish. There are an overwhelming number of drugs that are looked that way which show promise but the reason we do not rush into human trials is that a huge number of those drugs when given to animals end with disaster.
     
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    None of the videos you posted are visible to me I had to go get the video code and enter it into YouTube to actually see it. And I figured out why this guy just simply isn't funny.

    We already have enough not funny here. It's on the same level as Stephen Colbert or Trevor Noah who really only get ratings because people in their 70s fall asleep with the TV on.

    Most comedians are not funny but Australia has a tendency to really promote not funny comedians. Maybe it's a cultural thing.
     
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    If anything this shows why gun control won't happen here people just simply don't care enough to give $5 to a lobbying group to oppose the NRA. There's nothing stopping them you have the First Amendment here. It just doesn't exist at least not to the extent that pro-gun lobbying does.
     
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    I think I see why you didn’t find all those other examples and people funny

    No probs we are actually aware that many Americans seem to have a different sense of humour.
     
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    I do find a lot of Aussies funny. I get the humor most of the time but there's a lot of Americans I don't find funny I think it's more of a taste thing.

    There is a cultural difference between Aussie humor and humor in the US. It seems like Aussie's like to be antagonistic which I can appreciate that humor.
     
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    Yep, Gruen is definitely Australian propaganda.
     
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    Well, so far that is two to zero with a complete fail on understanding the Aussie sense of humour!

    It’s OK - the Kiwis and the Poms “get” it :p



     
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    Yes, that's between him and his incompetent and gullible physician. Ivermectin has been shown in real, well-designed randomized controlled trials with good methodology, to be completely void of any benefit for Covid-19 (in doses that can be tolerated by a human without forbidding toxicity), be it for prevention, post-exposure prophylaxis, or treatment of any degree of severity. Regardless of ivermectin being approved for human parasitosis and being given to someone off-label with the intent of preventing or treating Covid-19, it just plain doesn't work in-vivo for Covid-19 so there is no sound medico-scientific reason to prescribe it to someone for this purpose. It just introduces a useless expense for the patient taking the drug, the burden of another chemical in the body that although not very toxic, can indeed present some toxicity even in normal doses (e.g., neurotoxicity), and most importantly, can give the patient a false sense of security that will be an incentive for risky behaviors that may land the person in trouble. We shouldn't be peddling false hopes.

    Not to forget, the main study quoted by anti-vaxxers and right-wingers as "proof" that their darling ivermectin works, was retracted due to obviously fake data which could be seen on the tables (several patients posting the exact same parameters which is virtually statistically impossible and betrays manipulation of the data).

    In medicine we look at the balance between risks and benefits. Since the benefits of ivermectin for Covid-19 are a round zero, any tiny risks will result in the assessment that the risks outweigh the benefits. So the doctor who prescribed ivermectin to Rogan is a moron. Period, full stop. Certified moron. An incompetent imbecile who can't read and understand the studies that show sound methodology, and prefers to believe in junk science, a retracted study, and conspiracy theories.

    Unfortunately, there are morons in the medical profession, just like in any other. It reminds me of the joke: do you know how we call the person who graduated last in his class from the worst medical school in the nation? Doctor.

    The FDA and the state medical boards have advised practitioners to refrain from prescribing ivermectin for Covid-19 (due to the good reason that it doesn't work). Certain boards have gone as far as sanctioning practitioners who insist in peddling inefficacious medications whose risks for a Covid-19 patients outweigh the benefits.

    Of course the conspiracy theorists will say that this is a vast international conspiracy to devalue cheap drugs that are such lifesavers for Covid-19 (they are not), because they want to favor the expensive ones that big pharma makes, and the vaccines (you know, the vaccines are more convenient than ivermectin pills, to get those microchips in, that Bill Gates is using to dominate the world).

    This is completely preposterous. We have EXTENSIVELY studied repurposed cheap drugs (including HCQ and ivermectin), trying to find one that works for Covid-19. If we had found one, we'd have been delighted. No, we're not trying to enhance big pharma's profits (most of us don't even like big pharma that much although we understand they are a necessary evil). And no, cheap drugs are not automatically discarded. Better proof, dirt chip dexamethasone has been shown to work for Covid-19 and is now part of all treatment protocols.

    There is no evil conspiratory reason for the well-informed medico-scientific community to reject drugs like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19. The reason is much simpler: we're against them, simply because they don't work. We'd be for them if they worked.

    Fluvoxamine, another cheap repurposed drug ($4 per month), is looking promising. We'll support it if results are conclusively positive. Molnupiravir seems to work, with phase III RCTs already concluded and unequivocally positive. We'll certainly support it (although this one won't be cheap for the government - it will be free for patients - but it is not the cost that makes us support a treatment or not; it's the efficacy).

    I'll tell you something that might convince you that I'm serious about it: I'm a doctor. My son got Covid-19. I was worried to death. But I didn't give him ivermectin.

    All this said, I do understand your point. You are not advocating for the efficacy of ivermectin. You are dismayed at the mischaracterization of it as merely being a horse dewormer (which is the truth but not the entire truth), and you are saying that this is between him and his doctor. Your position is defensible. It's just that I thought I should add my 2 cents (or since I'm verbose, my 2 dollars) to this discussion, regarding why the competent, well-trained medico-scientific community is against ivermectin for Covid-19, while some moronic front-line doctors are for it.
     
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    I'm curious, do you understand that the fake ads are not made by 'this guy' or by any comedian?
     
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    I'm looking forward to the next Joe Rogan show where he breathlessly reports on the government campaign encouraging the invasion of New Zealand. :D
     
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    So they're not supposed to be funny?
     
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    You could have just written 'no', but that would involve you admitting you didn't know what you are talking about, so...

    Anyway, thanks for confirming my suspicions.
     
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    I did assume they were made by the comedian they were talking about. I don't have issue admitting I didn't know.

    Not sure that has anything to do with me not thinking it's that funny.
    That I didn't know something? I'm sure you'll find that I don't know a lot about Australian culture. I do find it interesting though if you'd like to talk about it.
     
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    So I got the one about the sheep that's funny.

    But there's some cultural stuff that I don't quite understand about Australia I don't know really what a bogan is, but from the context of this video it seems like what we would call white trash here in the states I don't know why we call them that. The only reason I make this assumption is because reference to beer hairstyles and I saw a few what we call mullets here. And that pickup trucks sports car thing that would probably have an appeal here to some people.

    But I don't live there and I've never been there so I don't understand this divide between this part of the country and that.
     
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    The point was that Joe Rogan wasn't given the veterinarian version of ivermectin and he wasn't given a high dose he was prescribed it through a real doctor as part of several treatments to help him get over covid without having to take the vaccine and guess what?

    he got over it in a day.

    you're going to have to come to terms with that.

    Or don't come to terms with it and just keep taking it personal like Joe Rogan not taking the vaccine affects you in any way
     
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    I fail to see how a show by an American-owned multimedia corporation (ABC) is "Australian", but whatever floats your boat.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Broadcasting_Company
     
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    Because it is is the Australian Broadcasting Company :roll: roll:
    https://www.abc.net.au
    Our version of the BBC and like the Beeb Government owned.

    It also includes Radio Australia https://www.abc.net.au/radio-australia/

    But the ABC is not the only government sponsored or part sponsored network we also have SBS and NITV to name just a couple. SBS was started as a multicultural channel whereas NITV is indigenous
    https://www.sbs.com.au/
    https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/
     
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    The problem I have with misinformation like Rohan spreads is that people relying on the Hydroxychloroquine marmalade are also those refusing the vaccines

     
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    Joe Rogan MD

    rogan is worth about $200 million and stopped living in the real world long ago

    he has a security team and a personal doctor on call 24 hours a day

    the only reason Rogan ever became popular is because of head phones or ear buds

    he can talk **** for hours on end ...and people could use earphones and zone out listening to him talk ****

    and after 3 or 4 hours he can convince many people of stupid things he dreams up

    he is also Roided out and is a regular drug user..he smokes marijuana more than most

    I say good for him...this is a great country..where else can a guy earn $200 million talking ****??
     
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    Yep.
     
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