Australia trolls Joe Rogan

So I went to almighty google to look up Ivermectin because my uncle wants to give my grandmother this drug claiming it works prophylactically as well as in early infection.

He shared the IVMMETA site and so I thought I would do my own investigation.

Believe it or not this link is archived on the third page:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...do-not-need-a-vaccine.582240/#post-1072284699

It happens to be yours. I've been lurking for a few weeks reading as much as I could on limited time, and I see you no longer share that opinion.

My question is what made you change your mind? At that time you presented those studies as valid, what changed in the study if anything? On the other hand, could it have been that you didn't review them thoroughly and missed something? In your quotes above you mention RCT studies showing no real benefit, but the link you also say Iver has good RCT quality studies confirming it's benefit?

Thanks for taking the time.

 

As far as I am aware Centrefield has reverted to his original opinion in relation to ivermectin. There are good RCT studies but none have shown significant benefit. The big problem is and always has been that the dose required to get the anti-viral effect is very close to toxic. The research has not been as clear cut as we would have liked and even someone as smart as CF can be misled by an attractive and professional sounding group. Unfortunately this “research” quoted by the MATH+ PROTOCOL he referenced has since turned out to be, shall we say, less than robust.

 

Btw - here is a later post from Centerfield http://www.politicalforum.com/index...at-the-unvaxxed.594819/page-4#post-1073125516

 

~ Being that Australia has sold out to the CCP and is already adopting Ping's lockdown mandates and Covid camps they should find better and more important things to do. I expect next they wiĺl build a statue of Howard Stern in the capital cities ...

~ That says a lot ...

 

Yes, it's a cultural thing. Comedy is based on the way the world works from our perspective so something funny in Australia won't necessarily crossover to the USA or other countries or cultures. The psychology behind humor is identifying with what the target audience knows about any given subject/topic.

This is very evident between American (USA) and British English. Americans are used to things that are "ha ha" funny, but most English "humor" is what we describe as "deadpan" and that reflects our cultural differences despite the shared language.

For example, I saw an Asian comedian (can't think of his name right now) that talked about his mother using "Vick's Vaporub" for *every* ailment that befell him as a kid. That is extremely funny to me, although I am not Asian, because my parents and grandparents did the same thing. It wouldn't necessarily be funny to someone that grew up having their parents taking them to a Pediatrician or emergency room.

Americas are also acclimated to laughing at people that hurt themselves. "America's Funniest Home Videos" was popular for years and they constantly showed videos described as "funny" but they were only funny to people that can't relate with falling, slipping, crashing, etc.. It's more of a "cringe" type laughter. I have some health problems that cause me to lose consciousness and fall. That type of fall is more dangerous than other types (ie. tripping, slipping, arthritis problems, etc.) because there is no way to "brace" for a fall when one is not conscious. However, I cringed at those videos decades before I developed my current health problem. I was never the type of person that laughed at people being hurt or embarrassed so that aligns. I taught that to my children and they both have received commendations from their respective teachers for their willingness to stand with a classmate that is being laughed at or shunned by other classmates.

I am not a big fan of tv, in general, and I absolutely hated "Seinfeld". I knew people that got together every week to watch "Seinfeld" and they loved it. I don't find him to be funny at all but many people love his humor. And, I'm not inclined to support people that show their true colors which often turn out to be awful. For example, Seinfeld's wife was on her honeymoon when she met him and she left her husband to start a relationship with him. I thought George Lopez was funny, but I stopped watching him when he filed for divorce from his wife because a few years prior to that, she donated a kidney to save his life. I can't think of anything more befitting the standard marriage vows "for better or worse" than giving one's spouse a vital organ. I am not willing to contribute to that dysfunctional mindset so I immediately stopped attending his stand-up performances and watching his tv show. I want no part in financing that type of person and it saddens me just how much some people are willing to overlook because a person has a specific skill (ie. actors who are horrible to their fans, professional athletes that cheat on the road, former US President with absolutely no integrity or decency anywhere in his body, etc.) because contributing to whatever makes any of them famous and/or wealthy is being complicit in eroding the values we say we stand for as Americans.

Further, within the psychology of assessing what is humorous to a broad audience is the shared commonalities within and between various cultures and even within and between generations. And, this is why comedians that focus on the similarities between us usually are more popular than comedians that focus on our differences.

 

oops, looks like the wrong thread for this...kindly delete this post. Thanks

 

Understood.

I'm just wondering what changed from,

"Actually, Bowerbird, now there is abundant research on Ivermectin for Covid-19 including several RCTs. Here is a list of in vitro studies, in vivo studies including RCTs,"

If these were good studies then, what makes them not good now?

This is a completely different statement from the one above,

"Ivermectin has been shown in real, well-designed randomized controlled trials with good methodology, to be completely void of any benefit for Covid-19."

Maybe @CenterField can chime in here and give some insight into what looks like contradictory statements for further clarification, because at face value they're confusing.

 

I don't imagine some of these people being considered funny anywhere they don't do comedy they say they're comedians.

 

I sure hope you don't listen to music, or enjoy works of art, or go to the movies.

Because people in creative fields are actually much more likely to have personal flaws, than the rest of us. Goes with the territory ... or more correctly, it's the flaws that draw them to the territory.

 

My apologies. I don't understand that sentence. Can you reword or clarify it, please?

 

They don't tell any jokes they don't do any routine they're not doing comedy but they call themselves comedians.

It's like a person saying they're a medical doctor but they don't practice medicine.

 

OK. Maybe it's because I'm exhausted. My apologies again.

WHO is claiming to be a comedian that doesn't do comedy work?

 

I'm not sure if their names but the ones have her do this speak with an Australian accent. I haven't heard many comedians from the us that are up and coming.

 

OK. I understand your point now. Thanks for walking me through that.

 

Contrast... There are a lot of funny comedians from Australia.

Aussies in general have quite a sense of humor mostly. Some however rare in my experience do not.

 

~ Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon come to mind...

 

Well, *that* is my point. You don't find it funny because your culture is different than theirs. And, the won't understand our humor either because we joke about things going on our in our world perspective so it is naturally appealing to the person's target audience.

I don't watch tv but I watch movies or tv shows on Netflix. There was/is a show called "Keeping Up Appearances" and another titled "Doc Martin". Both are set in the UK. I like both of them very much that I sometimes re-watch them.

I've tried to introduce several people to them over the years and all of them asked me to turn it off with 10 of it starting. They just didn't "get" it. The only reason I get it is my mother is like the lead actress in "KUP" and I know some doctors personally and they tend to think of their patients that way when they are off the clock. Without those personal connections, I probably wouldn't find it funny.

And, I absolutely 100% abhor "shaming" and "embarrassing" people or the denigration of a specific race or gender or religion or sexuality, etc.. I have never found it to be funny when people get hurt. I don't really understand why anybody else does either and a LOT of Americans love Eddie Murphy. I hated when he was doing the denigrating skits (Buckwheat, IIRC) on SNL and I hated all the movies he except "Beverly Hills Cop" and that's only because I know where he is and can fast forward through his parts. I also can't stand when he did movies playing several different characters. Not only is he not funny, that annoyed me because the movie could have been made with up and coming thespians giving them an opportunity. It just felt very selfish to me. But many people loved him when he was hitting the scene.

So, I guess there is more to it than just cultural differences. It is for me, anyway.

 

I didn't know they labeled themselves as comedians. Didn't all of them start with commentary on current topics in the media?

That would have never occurred to me because I don't find any of them to be funny. In fairness, though, I didn't find Johnny Carson, Rosie O'Donnell or David Letterman to be funny either.

 

I haven't searched but I would guess that's the case for anyone evaluating any other countries "Humor Index".

 

There wasn't any humor in some of it.

So you watch television you just watch it on streaming.

Oh, I understand that there is humor I don't get. I don't find reference humor funny but I understand that others do. One for instance is John Belushi. I don't think he's funny I don't get his humor. But I understand he's doing comedy

I get that I find humor in that. I don't get why people are hurt by buckwheat or the nutty professor.

I'm more bothered by people refusing to make fun of my idiosyncracies because not doing so is saying I'm too weak to take it.

I don't think I'm referring to something that would be funny in another culture.

 

I think the difference is people who embrace who they are and cry bullies that get butthurt

 

Can you give me an example, please?

 

Hannah gadsbys rant about being raped.

 

Do you think the people that pay those people would do so if they didn't have a marketable skill? I suppose that's possible but I would lean closer toward they are getting paid to do whatever they do so there has to be a target audience.

Again, just because something is not funny to you doesn't mean that other people will think so.

The example I used earlier was about teaching my children to be kind to others. I didn't just teach them kindness, I modeled it. And, both of them have stepped in when other kids were laughing at someone else or being mean to them. A girl started school with my daughter years ago and none of the other kids wanted to sit with her because she was Indian. My daughter saw this, grabbed her tray and asked the girl if she could sit with her. She told me the other kids were making fun of her because her lunch from home was not the usual PB&J they were used to. My daughter knew that wasn't okay as I also taught them that while some people like to look down on others for being different (race, speech, gender, religion, weight, differently-abled, language, etc. and our world is made up of all kinds of people and we don't close the door on the possibility of making a new friend solely based on those superficial biases. And, she and the girl are still friends today even though my kids were kidnapped almost six years ago and live in a different state.

Do you mean Jim Belushi? John Belushi passed decades ago. I didn't care for his comedy on SNL and I don't like that people, in general, act like there is some kind of genetic crossover in families for things that not related to our biological make-up.

For instance, the only reason Jim was able to get into the scene was people liked his brother's humor and they propped him up solely based on having the same last name. Comedy and comedic timing are skills or talents. One brother having that doesn't necessarily mean his sibling will.

The same thing applies to Hollywood and politics. Just because Reagan was a good actor or Schwarzenegger played "Terminator" well doesn't mean they are suitable candidates for elected positions. Trump is a failure all around but those that liked him because of whatever tv show he had shouldn't make the leap that he would be a good POTUS.

And, that even happens within families. Kennedys, Bushes, Cheneys, etc.. Just because somebody died in the middle of their elected turn, doesn't mean we need to put any warm body with the same last name in their chair.

Maybe I'm wrong but I certainly wouldn't look to my doctor's sibling to do surgery on me, why would we pick somebody's relative for important roles for no other reason than that? That is nowhere close to being rational, IMO.

I don't believe that I'm "butthurt" but vehemently defend your freedom of speech as afforded us as American citizens.

One reason I didn't like Buckwheat is that race relations are not really healed in our main society and black and brown people are still not considered "equal" so it comes off as a "cheap thrill" for some laughs while ignoring that many, many. many people still categorize black people that way and these type of characterizations just solidifies that viewpoint. "The Nutty Professor" was just too childish to me. I doubt I would have liked that one regardless who played the lead.

I play the piano so I am able to pick up on slight changes in people's tones and I absolutely hate Murphy's voice. It doesn't matter what he says. It's like nails on a chalkboard to my ears. I also don't like how cocky he is. There is a huge difference between self-confidence and cockiness and he has the latter. He fits into the same mental file as Will Smith. Smith is slightly more talented, but for the most part neither of them play any characters. They push their personalities into all the roles they do. That's not acting.

It's the same with Jennifer Aniston. All she does is flip her hair and whine in whatever role she is supposed to be playing. Halle Berry, while beautiful, is a horrible actress. How anybody can screw up "Storm" in X-Men and "Cat Woman" is beyond my understanding. I like her a tad more than Aniston because Aniston also has the nails on the chalkboard thing. Just no. I did feel bad for her when all that went down with Pitt and Jolie but with her constantly public whining, I wondered why he didn't ditch her sooner or kill her and bury her under the crawlspace.

And, quite frankly it annoys me. There are countless truly talented people that will never get a chance to do a movie or be in a tv show because the public doesn't demand talent. That is just so strange to me. We wouldn't go back to a mechanic that messed up our vehicle or a surgeon that botched a surgery or a dentist that pulls the wrong tooth. Why would be okay with someone earning money for NOT doing their job?

And, that leads us right back to politics. Some of us were not okay with paying Trump because he didn't do his job.

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to convey.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you take umbrage at someone NOT teasing you because the alternative is some kind of unspoken sympathy or pity for whatever cross you are bearing?

Do you see how that is you trying to play "mind reader"? There could be a trillion reasons someone might not mock you. It doesn't necessarily ALWAYS mean that are thinking or implying that you are in some way "weak."

A few years back, a friend of mine came over for dinner. He made the comment that he noticed that I'm weird. I asked him to clarify and he said that he is constantly trash talking people and everyone he knows does it. I was the only person he ever met that did NOT talk down to people, gossip about people or trash talk people.

I explained to him that I've been trash talked my whole life and it hurts. I'm not going to inflict that on somebody else. To this day, my family members don't use my birth name. They call me "The Crazy One." Yeah, I have an issue with saying hurtful things about other people.

He also shouldn't have been surprised because a couple years prior to that conversation, he texted me to tell me he was in the ER and asked me to come. I did and stayed with him until he was examined and released. The following day, I went to pick him up for something we planned and he asked me to call his girlfriend and tell her that I saw him with another woman at the ER. She was my friend too (I met them as a couple) and I refused. He started screaming and cussing and demanding that I do it and I told him to get out of my vehicle. I'm not doing that.

The shortest version is he doesn't know *how* to have interpersonal relationships with people because he can't process the information around him that gives him signals to throttle back. Everything goes through some kind of crazy, paranoid filter and he just blows up. He has 7 kids and 14 grandkids and NONE of them speak to him.

My point is this: I don't make fun of people and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with me making a judgment on their ability or inability to handle whatever they are facing. I actually don't think about other people's marriages, sex lives, jobs or anything else. It's none of my business and unless any of the above involves any kind of exploitation or abuse, I steer clear. So, if I met you and saw X <whatever it is>, I wouldn't tease you about it and it would have no basis in feeling sorry for you. I truly am NOT prejudiced in any way so I don't have those internal struggles many people have with applying double-standards based on <whatever their basis is for qualifying or disqualifying information>.

I don't understand this sentence. What do you mean by "I don't think I'm referring..." If anybody knows what you're referring to, it would be you, right?

 

~ Yes indeed ... one of my favorites. ' All Creatures Great & Small ' is also very good .