Russia's strike on Ukraine with its intermediate range ICBM with 6 non-nuclear warheads was very impressive. I think they have the attention of Europe, but the US leadership seems to be blind to the implications of the weapon. Thoughts?
You are aware that is a completely contradiction in terms, right? There is no such thing as an "intermediate range ICBM", that is as nonsensical as a "Short range long distance aircraft". The Oreshnik is an IRBM, or Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile. IRBMs have a range between 600 and 3,300 miles. ICBMs have a range of over 3,300 miles. And a MIRV configuration is nothing new. The US and Soviet Union were using them over five decades ago. This is simply the first time any have been used in combat. And I doubt very many will be used, as to be honest using a conventionally armed MIRV IRBM is a rather expensive way to hit targets. And should only be done against non-nuclear nations (and to be honest should not even be done then). There was a huge reason that the entire world gave a sigh of relief when Reagan and Gorbachev signed the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty in 1988, prohibiting both nations from fielding such weapons. And why in 2018 after Russia violated it multiple times the US withdrew. This use has literally thrown us right back into some of the worst of the Cold War, and really does have me worried. Edit: This is a variant of the RS-26 (SS-X-31) IRBM that was one of the main reasons that the US withdrew from the INF Treaty in 2018. As that was clearly an IRBM, and in complete violation of the treaty. Almost as soon as Putin took power, he started development of multiple weapon systems that violated the INF Treaty. Including the RS-26 IRBM, the SSC-8 Cruise Missile, and others. However, it should also be noted that the US is not attempting to make or return any of their IRBMs to service.
Oh yeah...America the saint, with two great big oceans on either side and land borders with only with subdued vassal states....a country with no need of IRBMs at home, who has plenty of other nations within its empire to source them. America, that put its missile shield in Romania, up in Russia's face, a system noted for its ability to launch cruise missiles, which was a violation of the INF and made it a scrap of toilet paper in 2013. Oh, but America promised not to actually use it for cruise missiles. Yeah, just like it promised not to expand NATO. PFFFT. So America backs out of the INF in 2014, blaming Russia. https://www.rbth.com/world/2016/05/18/natos-anti-missile-shield-in-europe-a-threat-to-russia_594073 And that was also after America withdrew from the ABM treaty in 2002. Gosh, I wonder whatever that was about? Something something nuclear blackmail. Suuuurre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_Treaty And Obama signs a treaty with Iran only for Trump to rip it up. All America does is break its word and make excuses. It signs treaties and thumps its chest proudly talking about justice, then it walks away without ratifying that same treaty. America is a rogue state that doesn't give a single damn for anything but itself. Its will changes with the tides. Nobody trusts America, not even you. https://qz.com/1273510/all-the-international-agreements-the-us-has-broken-before-the-iran-deal https://www.cfr.org/blog/international-treaties-united-states-refuses-play-ball As ever, nice weapon of civilian mass murder you got as your avatar. Is the name Mushroom related in any way to "mushroom cloud"? Interesting choices. Really interesting choices. People might begin to wonder what you are all about, ya know?
I read somewhere that the point of launch to the point of impact was 650 miles. First time ballistic missile has been used in combat. First time for me seeing MIRV hitting the target. When the US backed out of various treaties, the Russians went to work on developing the IRBM. Spectacular display.
Wow, that is completely nonsensical. The US had IRBMs and SRBMs for many decades. Most specifically the Pershing series form 1962-1991. However, what "other nations within its empire" use IRBMs? Come on now, you are the one that made this claim, care to back it up? This is the very problem with bad propaganda, it's simply bad. The only one I can find is Saudi Arabia, which has a couple of dozen DF-3 they bought from China in the 1980s and have never used. And most believe they have not been in service for almost two decades. And that is the only one that just might be still in service. The Hyunmoo of South Korea was retired almost a decade ago. The S3 of France was retired in 1996. The PGM-17 Thor of the UK was retired in 1960. So who exactly is it that has these missiles, and what are the missiles?
Is English your second language? I said the U.S. has no need for them AT HOME. They may have want of them abroad, in support of the empire, but that is different. That is not related to what I said. I never said any other nation uses them. I said other nations could be sourced to get them. That means factories can be retooled to make them and American specifications given to produce them, then America can just buy them.
Oh, the US backed out only after Russia was working on the missiles. You do not go from nothing to having three different operational systems in 5 years or less. And hell no, that was not even close to the first time ballistic missiles have been used in combat. V-2, WWII, 1944-1945 SCUD, Iran-Iraq War, 1982-1988 SCUD (and variants), Gulf War, 1991 SCUD (and variants), Iraqi Freedom, 2003 SCUD (and variants), Houthi-Saudi Conflict, 2015-Present Zolfaghar (SCUD variant), Syrian Civil War, 2011-Present If somebody is claiming this was the first time a ballistic missile was used in combat, you really need to dump whoever that was as a source as they are complete idiots. And the idea that Russia only started to develop them after the US pulled out is moronic in the extreme. The US pulled out of the INF treaty in 2018 (taking effect in 2019). The RS-26 started development way back in 2007 (first tested in 2011). And the US protested when that project was first announced, as it was stated to be a replacement for the RSD-10 Pioneer (NATO SS-20 SABER). That was one of many missiles that was banned under the INF Treaty and retired in 1988. Sound like you are following some really bad sources. In other words, sources based far more on fantasy than reality.
Why in the hell would they buy or make them? What you are doing is known as "speaking out of your arse". We have none, we have no interest in making them again. There is no nation making them that we would buy them from in the first place. What, are you really thinking we would but some from North Korea, China, or Russia? What, you think weapon development is just something you can throw together in a year or two? English is not my second language. However, I live in what is known as "reality", where as you live in Fantasyland.
You are stacking strawmen iike Matrioska dolls. Now I am beginning to think English is an alien language to you....like space alien. How you get any of that from what I wrote is ....something only the worst kind of speculation could explain...and get me into trouble. But I will say, thanks for saying America has no interest in making IRBMs. Its really easy to use something as unfair leverage when you don't care about it yourself.
Actually, I'm a bit jealous of the Russian people. Jealous because their government actually defends the country from evil and foreign invaders. Our government today facilitates invasion of the US by countless foreigners who disobey US immigration law. You probably consider that strange, but I don't. Why can't our governments obey the law and protect the nation?
Who invaded Russia? Russia invaded Ukraine. I said your admiration of Russia using cruise missiles against civilian targets was strange.
