Hmm' Why doesnt the cap tabs work in the title section? This time instead of a long and short version, I think the paragraph in blue will be enough information understand the thrust of this thread and make comment. However again if making a critical assessment please read the entire thing to save time by answering questions where the answer is already covered in the thread. Thanks ~ Main body of Thread; That title is from a quote of Albert Einsteins where he was suggesting that Quantum Mechanics, specifically would eventually turn out to be faulty. Specifically he was speaking about the uncertainty principle and being super specific he was criticizing Heisenberg and Bohr had not fully understood certain aspects of causality as related by the Copenhagen interpretation. Anyway, the question/talking point of this thread is more about theology than physics. Did God have to create the universe to operate on physical laws? Did he purposely create the universe with seemingly bad engineering and mistakes for reasons we are not privy to? Or did he create the universe to be perfect and man and Satan muck up the works later? Why not a perfect universe where everyone is happy? Or? Please elaborate. Personally I feel the universe is not perfect but was created with what our limited fallible human senses tell us are imperfections. These imperfections are necessary maybe even mandatory to produce a universe that produces the question god asks and only we can answer. Mans free will and sentiency is anagogic to God throwing the dice in a high stakes game with the pot being either eternal life of the earth and the soul and craps being Armageddon and the death of the soul and possibly the universe. Reva
So God created the universe, the universe created people, and people created God? Now if that ain't a holy trinity Penrose triangle then I don't know what is.
Adding God to the equation simply adds an extra step. God created the Universe, but then who created God? You can't tell us that God has always existed and expect that to suffice if we're not allowed to say that the Universe, or the matter that created it, always existed. Two sides of the same coin really, except with the God idea, people are trying to add a very human element of intent to the whole thing.
God is human imagination. I don't get why this character even garners serious discussion. It's unschooled thinking, the imaginings of ancients who believed in spirits because they didn't know how life and consciousness actually functioned.
well, if I were a god, who was trying to find the answer to a question only man can answer, then i would intentionally create imperfections, so as to discern the parameters of the question. like an experiment. if i were attempting to teach some lesson to humanity, i guess i would create woes and misery, mainly because they build character. also because humans tend to only learn something the hard way.
So many assumptions here, e.g. that humans had to be 'created' in such a manner that we even needed adversity in order to 'build character.' You can sit there and invent explanations til the cows come home, but in the end it's all just your imaginings. Where are the facts to support any of it? I recently heard it asked, What is the point of existence if there is no afterlife? This is a flawed question, of course, as it begs the question of existence having a "point" at all. Who says it needs one? We're here because nature brought us about, individually because our parents did what came naturally and we resulted. All else is superstition and BS.
God is like a kid with an ant farm. Remember Keanu Reeves in Constantine? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0360486/
If you were God you could have created beings that wouldn't have those flaws. But since God intentionally created flawed creatures he must take delight in screwing with them for his own enjoyment. Heck, he couldn't even make perfect angels to keep him company in his big house in the sky. He loves conflict and drama.
There ya go. People often assume there's a point or purpose to our existence, but who says there has to be? It seems they just can't stand the universe not being built specifically for them by something that will reward them with eternal life for being "good" by some arbitrary measure.
My belief on Einstein's famous quote is that he was criticizing quantum physics and Heisenburg in this way: Uncertainty theory states that we cannot know both the trajectory and the location of subatomic particles, and consequently, quantum physics is approached with the mathematics of probability. Though this is the best we can do, because our observation alters the result, I believe that Einstein was trying to say that particles do indeed have a specific trajectory AND location, known to "God", and though WE cannot know them both to complete exactitude, it does not mean that they exist in a state of limbo, in just a probability of where they might be. They are where they are, in the trajectory that they are in, and our inability to perceive that does not mean that God has the entire quantum world in a state of probability. The "dice" are just our perception.
any willie wankin' mandrills in our lineage? [video=youtube;wjpdmatA5WY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjpdmatA5WY[/video]
I don't think that we ever thought that they existed in any kind of "limbo" that way either(I could be wrong here), just that our ability to observe them will never escape those conditions. That's my understanding of Heisenburg. The particles exist with both trajectory and location, but our attempts at observation will always limit us to observing one. So it's really not God playing dice at all, but us. I fully admit the possibility that my understanding here is wrong though. It's early and the coffee isn't done yet.
